Love versus lust between two men.

  • Love versus lust between two men.

    Posted by Thomaslove on June 12, 2023 at 9:27 am

    Love versus lust between two men.

    Posted by Thomaslove on April 22, 2023 at 12:43 am

    I wrote the discussion below for the Spirituality Group, but it also contains some simple wisdom about love. and therefore I have duplicated it here.

    • Love versus lust between two men.

      I thought the men of Realjock might benefit from the distinction between love and lust. I certainly have done both. Love is the most important emotion in the world whereas lust is just lust, best performed with no negative judgements about it except some awareness that two men might hurt each other.

      Shakespeare wrote about lust well, in the following sonnet:

      <header>Sonnet 129</header>

      The expense of spirit in a waste of shame

      Is lust in action; and till action, lust

      Is perjured, murderous, bloody, full of blame,

      Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust,

      Enjoy’d no sooner but despised straight,

      Past reason hunted, and no sooner had

      Past reason hated, as a swallow’d bait

      On purpose laid to make the taker mad;

      Mad in pursuit and in possession so;

      Had, having, and in quest to have, extreme;

      A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe;

      Before, a joy proposed; behind, a dream.

      All this the world well knows; yet none knows well

      To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.

    • Larry Kramer also said it well: “Yes, sex and love were diferent items when he wanted them in one, and yes, having so much sex made having love impossible…..All I see is guys hurting each other and themselves ….And how to say all this to anyone, when no one is listening, no one wants to hear?”

    • I strongly suspect many men know this critical distinction. A few, like me, opt for love. I am sad that some men hurt each other while lusting and I only wish that they knew what real love is.

      Again, Shakespeare said what love is:

      <header>Sonnet 116</header>

      Let me not to the marriage of true minds

      Admit impediments. Love is not love

      Which alters when it alteration finds,

      Or bends with the remover to remove:

      O no! it is an ever-fixed mark

      That looks on tempests and is never shaken;

      It is the star to every wandering bark,

      Whose worth’s unknown, although his height be taken.

      Love’s not Time’s fool, though rosy lips and cheeks

      Within his bending sickle’s compass come:

      Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,

      But bears it out even to the edge of doom.

      If this be error and upon me proved,

      I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

      Lastly, I want to add that the most fulfilling love is “mature love between two men”, where each man is a whole human being and just wants to be with the other man, not out of neediness, but out of the pure joy of being together. There is no higher form of love than “mature love.”.

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