Trump says he’d Disregard NATO Treaty, Urge Russian Attacks on Allies

  • Trump says he’d Disregard NATO Treaty, Urge Russian Attacks on Allies

    Posted by outdoorsguy on February 11, 2024 at 10:57 am

    The Twice Impeached, 4 Times Indicted, Criminal Defendant Donald Trump ramped up his attacks on NATO on Saturday, claiming he suggested to a foreign leader that he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to member countries he views as not spending enough on their own defense.

    The Putin backed Criminal Defendant said Well, sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?,’” Trump said during a white Trash rally at Coastal Carolina University.

    “I said, ‘You didn’t pay. You’re delinquent.’ He said, ‘Yes, let’s say that happened.’ No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.”

    Trump’s remarks come as the GOP is debating whether to provide additional foreign aid to Ukraine, which is fighting a war with Russia after being invaded by Moscow in 2022.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/10/trump-nato-allies-russia/

    outdoorsguy replied 2 weeks, 3 days ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Muscle4Muscle2009

    Member
    February 12, 2024 at 2:06 am

    <yawn> But millions of people will vote for this malignant psycho!

  • ObscureandFuzzy

    Organizer
    February 12, 2024 at 6:53 pm

    This:

    “‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’” Trump recounted saying. “‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’”

    Does not mean:

    Urge(s) Russian Attacks on Allies

    If NATO member states choose not to pay “their fair share” they are in breach of the contract. It is up to each individual other NATO member to choose what to do should a NATO member breach the contract.

  • outdoorsguy

    Member
    February 12, 2024 at 11:04 pm

    Trump urging Russia to invade ‘delinquent’ NATO members distorts how the alliance works.

    The ignorant uneducated piece of shit does not have a clue how NATO works and how Article 5 is implemented.

    The Twice Impeached, 4 times Indicted, Felony Criminal Defendant says he once warned that he would allow Russia to do whatever it wants to NATO member nations that are “delinquent” in devoting 2% of their gross domestic product to defense.

    Trump’s comment on Saturday represented the latest instance in which the Criminal Defendant sided with an authoritarian state over America’s democratic allies.

    It also adds to evidence that the 77-year-old either does not understand how NATO works or is distorting the truth for political gain.

    What did Trump say?

    Speaking at a rally in Conway, S.C., Trump recalled how as president he told an unidentified NATO member that he would withhold U.S. help and “encourage” Russia to do as it wishes with allies that do not contribute enough to military spending.

    “‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’” Trump recounted saying. “‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’”

    NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg shot back with an unusually strong statement saying that Trump was threatening the security of the entire trans-Atlantic alliance.

    “Any suggestion that allies will not defend each other undermines all of our security, including that of the U.S., and puts American and European soldiers at increased risk,” Stoltenberg said.

    “Donald Trump’s admission that he intends to give Putin a green light for more war and violence, to continue his brutal assault against a free Ukraine, and to expand his aggression to the people of Poland and the Baltic States are appalling and dangerous,” Biden said.

    Trump Demonstrated his ignorance of NATO in front of his ignorant low IQ supporters………and they cheered

    NATO members don’t pay to belong and don’t owe the organization anything other than contributions to a largely administrative fund.

    U.S. presidents before him raised that concern. In fact, it was in 2014, during the Obama administration, that NATO members agreed to move “toward” spending 2% of GDP on national defense by 2024.

    The 2% is a benchmark that each member should spend on its own defense in order to be able to contribute to the joint defense of the alliance.

    However, the goal is voluntary, and there is no debt or “delinquency” involved.

    The countries don’t pay the money to NATO but invest it in their own armed forces.

    Russia’s invasion of Ukraine almost two years ago has given them further impetus to beef up their armies.

    Putin tried to justify his war against Ukraine in part by citing NATO’s enlargement, though Ukraine had no immediate prospects of joining the alliance when Russian troops entered the neighboring country in February 2022. However, NATO leaders have said that Ukraine will join the alliance at some point in the future.

    NATO currently has 31 members. Finland became the newest member last year, breaking with decades of non-alignment after Russia invaded Ukraine. Sweden is hoping to join too, but is still waiting for approval from Hungary, the only member that has not ratified the Scandinavian country’s bid.

    Trump has a history of misrepresenting NATO or suggesting that the United States might not honor its commitment to allies. Former national security advisor John Bolton said in a memoir that Trump was close to pulling the U.S. out of NATO in 2018.

    Trump spoke that year about NATO as if it were a business going bankrupt<?b> until he came along. “I went to NATO. And NATO was essentially going out of business ’cause people weren’t paying and it was going down, down, down,” he said.

    Every time the Criminal Defendant speaks he shows the world what a moron he really is and does not have a clue about national security and world affairs.

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-02-12/how-trump-urging-russia-to-invade-delinquent-nato-members-distorts-how-the-alliance-works






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  • outdoorsguy

    Member
    February 12, 2024 at 11:23 pm

    Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, which was drawn up in 1949, commits NATO members to treat an invasion of one as an invasion of them all.

    The only time Article 5 has ever been invoked was in 2001, after the U.S. was attacked by al-Qaida.

    It was a reversal of expectations: The assumption had always been that the U.S. would come to the defense of Western Europe; now Europe was coming to the defense of the U.S.

    (President George W. Bush brushed away the offer, though nearly all the NATO nations sent troops to Afghanistan, joining the U.S. invasion to oust the Taliban and protect a new government, even though they had no direct stakes in the fight.)

    Yet when aides first tried to educate Ignorant Donald J Trump on Article 5, soon after he was installed as president, he couldn’t fathom the whole concept.

    “You mean if Russia attacked Lithuania, we would go to war with Russia?” he responded. “That’s crazy!”

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/trump-russia-comment-nato-biggest-problem.html

  • outdoorsguy

    Member
    February 13, 2024 at 9:53 am
  • Blaine

    Member
    February 13, 2024 at 6:22 pm

    More rantings from a lunatic who will plunge the world into chaos!

  • ObscureandFuzzy

    Organizer
    February 13, 2024 at 6:40 pm

    Blaine

    Member February 13, 2024 at 6:22 pm

    More rantings from a lunatic who will plunge the world into chaos!

    Have you looked at the world lately? Under Biden, we’ve got Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Middle East in turmoil, Venezuela taking over part of Guyana, Iran a week away from a nuclear bomb, North Korea firing missiles over Japan, and China poised to take over Taiwan.

    None of these conflicts took place under Trump.

    There’s propaganda (“Trump will start World War III”) and then there’s reality (the world is a mess thanks to Biden’s weakness).

    • outdoorsguy

      Member
      February 13, 2024 at 7:25 pm

      The Ignorant Trump Cult followers are just as dumb as Putin’s puppet himself.

      Even though the moron was in the white house for 4 years ….. he learned nothing.

      His staff tried to educate him. Those with an ounce of integrity left.

      I am actually glad Putin’s puppet got on a world stage to remind everyone what an ignorant piece of shit he really is and who is his master

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