[Naked1969]

I was not smart to go to college.

[Wombat]

With the term Gay now being so generic, it’s hard to understand who their target group was.

After all, bisexual men had long been more advantaged than us homosexuals. Receiving advantages, that were denied us homosexuals.

Shoving bisexuals under the banner of Gay, a term that was created for us homosexuals. To use instead of terms like homosexual. Hasn’t made us one tribe. Depriving us homosexuals of an identity of our own.

[apparition]

of course not getting anyone pregnant and having to get a job would be a HUGE factor too

[Unknown Member]

“If America’s gay men were considered on their own, they would have, by far, the highest college completion rate in the world: easily surpassing the current leader, Luxembourg, at 46.6 percent,” Mittleman wrote.

His research aligns with what professors Mark Hatzenbuehler and John Pachankis (of Harvard and Yale, respectively) called the “Best Little Boy in the World” hypothesis. Drawing from Andrew Tobias’ memoir, “The Best Little Boy in the World,” this hypothesis proposes that gay men respond to societal homophobia by overcompensating in achievement-related domains.

Mittleman suggests that “academic performance offers an accessible domain of competitive self-mastery. Whereas the rules of masculinity may feel obscure or unattainable, the rules of school can feel discrete and manageable.

Whereas the approval of a parent may be uncertain, the praise of a teacher can be regularly earned with the right amount of effort. And when other avenues for ‘being a man’ are cut off, pursuing the kinds of prestigious careers made possible through meticulously high achievement offers a way to shore up one’s standing as a man.”

It all makes sense to me . I always did well in school even though my parents could

care less. My father did not understand or respect academics. He continues to have the Trump mind set . If you cannot make money from it why bother? I on the other hand viewed education as something no one could take away or repossess.

I was the first in my family to complete a undergraduate degree .. later completed several masters degrees.

I do not regret my academic achievement if anything wish I competed a PHD.

https://phys.org/news/2021-11-gay-men-undergraduate-degrees-highest.html

[Unknown Member]

If you are going to college just to make money forget it. That is not the reason to go

You would be better off getting a civil service job that does not require a college degree.

I understand that many are not suited for the rigor and independence that college requires in order to be successful.

However, if everyone went to college just to get a job we would all be robots ….. just like many that work in factories.

The critical thinking and reasoning skills you learn in college will stay with you for a lifetime….it is something no one could ever take away.

[joeclark]

I actually read this study (actually a preprint), making me the only member here to have done so.

The author goes through all sorts of contortions regarding “masculinity” to explain why gay boys do better in school than straight boys. And he flatly lies about the degree of concern boys’ overall failure to thrive in school has attracted.

Worse, he’s consistently dishonest about the reality here, which reality he experienced growing up: Gay boys just are not interested in duking it out with straight boys, yea unto their adult careers, where they are much happier holding down what are now derisively called “email jobs” instead of pulling in a hundred grand for half a year’s work on the oil ring. (Because gay boys behave like girls, and lesbians behave like boys, grossly stated.)

Having read the entire literature on gay and lesbian incomes and earnings, I can state that all these facts have been known for a decade and a half, if not longer. But *those* researchers are also unwilling to admit that gays do not behave like straights in education and employment.

(cf. https://joeclark.org/gaymoney/)

[BlackFitSenior]

Degrees of all kinds are JUST one more socially-pleasing item to HIDE behind. So, it is not particularly surprising to be informed that “gays” lead the way with more of them than the norm.

[Unknown Member]

I get that perception of college because it serves different purposes for different people. For me, the whole college experience was so beneficial for me in many ways. It teaches you discipline, and you really get to grow from being a teenager into a young adult in a bit of a structured environment that forces you to stay focused or flunk out. What I learned while in college has little to do with the classroom or the education, and more to do with figuring out what I wanted to do with my life, setting goals, and making the right moves to attain that. College gives you the basics to take your life to the next level, tough I by no means think that you can’t do that without college because, of course, you can. Had I not gone to college, my entire life would have played out far differently. Not sure if that would have been for better or for worse, but my college experience at Arizona State was the springboard for me to many exciting things that happened in my life. If I had to do it all over again, I would never want to have missed my college years.