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I love it, Its a funny theory b/c my mother told me she was stressed out b/c of my father during pregnancy and here i am today lol

LOL. You know, that theory fits me too!

*strokes chin thoughtfully*

I have yet to confirm with mom. Interesting theory though.

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Oooooh I see. I got it backward.
All these years, I thought being gay made me stress.

Stress does impact on the release of hormones in the Mother's womb. It seems to be one of the major factor's in determining sexual orientation.

I watched 20/20 last week about kids who want to be the other sex (transgender). One little boy told his parents he was a girl trapped in a boy's body at the age of 2! That lends support to the impact of hormones on the baby's brain in utero. Family environment would not have that sort of an impact so early.

I personally wish scientists would spend more time trying to figure out why so many straight people are screwed up despite all the advantages they have, then trying to figure out why two guys might want to give each other blowjobs.

JBE60 said
I personally wish scientists would spend more time trying to figure out why so many straight people are screwed up despite all the advantages they have, then trying to figure out why two guys might want to give each other blowjobs.

I dunno. I sometimes see chem-bio research into the origins of homosexuality as potentially scary...because if ever there were definitive proof, the Krazy Kristian Koalition will just change tactics and seek out a 'cure' for us vs just saying we're an abomination of choice/brainwashing/socialization.

Worse is that there're a lot of self-haters who'd take that cure in a heartbeat. Never mind that, if you believe in any kind of god, she/he/it made you as you are and it's your task to learn to love yourself. Of course, those cured would then be faced with those straight people problems you referenced. Ha.

But stress in pregnancy suggests it's chemical/biological, and potentially not genetic..or does the potential for a genetic mutation have to be present for triggering by the chemicals? The mind could chase its tail on this stuff all day.

My mother says when I was 3 I told everyone I was a monkey for a few months.

Timberoo saidMy mother says when I was 3 I told everyone I was a monkey for a few months.

LOL Very funny!

Interesting proposition. For whatever it's worth--and this is strictly antecdotal--but I've never seen two more stressed-out, nervous wrecks than my Mom and Dad! They were always that way. Makes you wonder. . . .

Timberoo saidMy mother says when I was 3 I told everyone I was a monkey for a few months.

I suppose we all had our issues at that age. My mom told me that when I was little I was absolutely petrified of the vacuum cleaner. Thank GOD I eventually grew out of my fear of that loud sucking sound.

I dunno. I sometimes see chem-bio research into the origins of homosexuality as potentially scary...because if ever there were definitive proof, the Krazy Kristian Koalition will just change tactics and seek out a 'cure' for us vs just saying we're an abomination of choice/brainwashing/socialization.

Yes that is a very definite possibility in the future.

I watched a short gay film last night made in France. It was called "Oedipul ?". It was part of the DVD "Boy Crush". It was about a mother who kept killing her gay son off then trying to have his neurons re-arranged to make him straight. But he kept having memories of his prior life and trying to find his lover. The movie ended with her killing the son off for the third time, and asking the scientists to try and have another go at it. Kind of spooky.

[quote][cite]RunintheCity said[/cite][quote][cite]JBE60 said[/cite]
Krazy Kristian Koalition


that was a good one. made me laugh.

Timberoo saidMy mother says when I was 3 I told everyone I was a monkey for a few months.

When I was asked what I wanted to be when I grew up I said an alligator (I think I was 4 or 5)! I thought it was a pretty logical answer. Just imagine the respect I would get! Then again I might have been turned into expensive ladies purses or shoes.

JBE60 said

When I was asked what I wanted to be when I grew up I said an alligator (I think I was 4 or 5)! I thought it was a pretty logical answer. Just imagine the respect I would get! Then again I might have been turned into expensive ladies purses or shoes.

@JBE60 At least then you would have still been fabulous!

Lmao! Hmm, that would make sense. My mother was a working nurse, studying to be a doctor, aside from running the youth groups and church functions at my father's church. I also have an older brother whose gay, but we're both nuetral-to-masculine. So she must have been a tough cookie during those days.

well with the studies of twins, if the mom is stressed, wouldn't both boys be gay? How could 1 be and 1 not be? Same womb. Interesting

Cleancut71 saidwell with the studies of twins, if the mom is stressed, wouldn't both boys be gay? How could 1 be and 1 not be? Same womb. Interesting

Not necessarily, because the hormones released from the mother would not flood the baby's brains in exactly the same amount.

Timberoo saidMy mother says when I was 3 I told everyone I was a monkey for a few months.

You must have been a wall climber...or had a tail?

well I need to buck the trend then.
By all accounts from what I have heard from my parents friends and my grandparents, my mum and dad here never stressed while mum was carrying me.

Apparently for the whole 9 months they where over the moon about it and neither of them ever lost there smile.

So for some reason, I don't think it was stress.

I do believe that people are just looking for a reason and are creating links that are not there.

HighVoltageGuy said[quote][cite]Timberoo said[/cite]My mother says when I was 3 I told everyone I was a monkey for a few months.

You must have been a wall climber...or had a tail?[/quote]

I ate a lot of bananas, apparently.

I also have incredibly dexterous toes.

RunintheCity said[quote]

Worse is that there're a lot of self-haters who'd take that cure in a heartbeat. Never mind that, if you believe in any kind of god, she/he/it made you as you are and it's your task to learn to love yourself. Of course, those cured would then be faced with those straight people problems you referenced. Ha.

But stress in pregnancy suggests it's chemical/biological, and potentially not genetic..or does the potential for a genetic mutation have to be present for triggering by the chemicals? The mind could chase its tail on this stuff all day.

This is supposition though. The issue could be genetic still. For example the predisposition for stress may be correlated to being gay with hormones having nothing to do with it. Case in point (that I've used before): for many years the Alzhiemers Institute had found high levels of aluminum in the autopsied brains of alzhiemers patients. For years it was the assumption that exposure to aluminum caused the illness without the correlational information that it may be a result of the illness (which is what turned out to be true.) A group of facts can lead to a conclusion but it may still be wrong.

When I was 4 I told my mother that when I grew up I wanted to be a woman. And in a sense, I did.

MunchingZombie saidWhen I was 4 I told my mother that when I grew up I wanted to be a woman. And in a sense, I did.

no offense dude, but as a woman you look like a dyke

Actually there is the hormonal theory of homosexuality. After the 1st trimeser (at 90 days) the hypothalamus is being formed. (Up until that point the embryo/fetus has no gender.) The hypothalamus is the sexual center of the brain. Androgens (masculinizing hormones) in large quantity produce males and in low quantities produce females. Extreme stress at this juncture causes changes in the qualities of the androgenizing hormones, thus affecting sexual behavior but not gender. The quantity of androgens is not affected. Gender is not affected but the part of the hypothalamus that is linked to sexual orientation is believed to be affected.

It's natural that a certain percentage of mothers will experience significant gestational stress causing hormonal aberrations. That accounts for the percentage of homosexuals staying fairly constant. Other biological theories (i.e., genetic) would lead to the extinction of homosexuals because gays largely do not procreate. Therefore, the genetic theory is missing something in my estimation.

There are two problems with the hormonal stress theory in causing the creation of gays.

First is the fact that it only seems to affect men and not women statistically. The alternate would have to be that lesbians, if created in the same manner would be the result of extreme lack of stress since the hormones released are not related to the sex of the fetus. Thus, the hormone theory may be able to attribute feminine aspects to a male fetus, but not sexual orientation.

Secondly, if that were the case, how do account for hypermasculinity in gay men, as opposed to femininity in gay men if the hormone theory is to apply. There should not be such a divergence of these attributes for men who self-identify as gay (as opposed to bisexual).