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A source with close ties to the Log Cabin Board of Directors provided information about the meeting to GayPatriot earlier this week. This source disclosed that the Log Cabin meeting was not reflected on Senator McCain’s published schedule in advance and the meeting. A second source familiar with the Log Cabin-McCain meeting reports that Senator McCain has routine personal meetings that are not shown on the Senator’s public schedule.

What's he got to hide by secretly meeting with the LCR?

Auryn saidA source with close ties to the Log Cabin Board of Directors provided information about the meeting to GayPatriot earlier this week. This source disclosed that the Log Cabin meeting was not reflected on Senator McCain’s published schedule in advance and the meeting. A second source familiar with the Log Cabin-McCain meeting reports that Senator McCain has routine personal meetings that are not shown on the Senator’s public schedule.

What's he got to hide by secretly meeting with the LCR?

He is hiding the fact that he is meeting with him because the christian right is already reluctant to embrace him as a candidate. If he flings the fact that he is meeting with gay's in their face, he has zero chance of getting their votes come election time. I wish that we could get two candidates who could tell the religious right to take a flying leap publicly and get them out of politics so that they quit highjacking the government and trying to impose thier concpts of morality on the rest of us!

I don't like the agenda of the Democratic party and question the sanity of anyone who votes Democrat. But my real hatred is reserved for muslim terrorists and and the American Christian Taliban.

John43620 saidI don't like the agenda of the Democratic party and question the sanity of anyone who votes Democrat. But my real hatred is reserved for muslim terrorists and and the American Christian Taliban.

So you prefer the republican agenda? I am sorry i must have missed something. Are you gay? because last i checked the republican party was pretty anti-gay. Granted its not all republicans, but your candidates always pander to that fringe of the party that you referred to as the "american christian taliban"

I agree that most gay's would favor lowering taxes, but what other republican agenda items are you supporting? The war in Iraq? the illegal wiretapping of phones? the subjugation of the independant government agencies such as the Justice department? The continual errosion of civil rights of minorities and women through strict constitutional judges?

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but gay republican's confused the %^##$@!! out of me!!! It's not possible to separate these issues from the candidates who agree with them and if you allow your freedoms to be erroded because you support the candidates who support those parts of your party that you do not agree with then you get what you deserve.... just please do not take the rest of us down with you.

Stockholm Syndrome. Classic case. Probably hopeless. Life is for the living, let the dead bury the dead.

McGay saidStockholm Syndrome. Classic case. Probably hopeless. Life is for the living, let the dead bury the dead.

Are you calling me crazy??

Not you, John.

he he he... i liked your sour grapes post in the other form!

Did you expect John McSame to have a big press conference and shake each homo's hand

Your lepers to them Boys....
diseased broken perverts who ravage children
but they'll sneak into the back door to take your money and your votes

I've heard to total bottoms but this one's for the books

John43620 saidI don't like the agenda of the Democratic party and question the sanity of anyone who votes Democrat. But my real hatred is reserved for muslim terrorists and and the American Christian Taliban.

I hate Communists....and the Prussians....and the HUNGARIANS!

and whoever else I'm told to fear/hate at the time.

I stopped thinking for myself so it looks like I need to hate Muslim terrorists now too.


All this hating is hard work.

OHHH! I am so confused...who am I supposed to hate this week?? And was that on the Federal Government approved list, the HRC's list or did I see that on Bill O'Rilly, or was it on MichealAngelo Signorelli's radio show?...Decisions, decisions! I am so confused...
I've got it!...I will just stop "hating" anyone different from me and worry about myself....Yeah..that's the ticket! That's enough work right there!

John43620 saidI don't like the agenda of the Democratic party and question the sanity of anyone who votes Democrat. But my real hatred is reserved for muslim terrorists and and the American Christian Taliban.

Then by November you will live in a country that is probably about 60%-70% insane.

Enjoy.

If this is true, than it is great news not only for the GOP but for all of America as well. I am glad that John McCain is sitting down and meeting with members of the Log Cabin Republicans. It is too bad that it has to be kept out of the news media because of those narrow-minded, bible thumping screwballs. It is time to permanently strip the religious right of all influence and control of American politics and keep those holy rollers marginalized for the good of our great country.

John43620 saidI don't like the agenda of the Democratic party and question the sanity of anyone who votes Democrat.

This is an example if a statement that really serves no useful purpose, other than to irritate those of us who vote democratic. I'd never use that terminology to describe your actions (in terms of your voting record). I think its time we respect each others views. No wonder there is no bipartisanship in Washington... it starts at home.

Oh yeah, Kansan, let's all be nice about Obama and nice about McCain.

But who here has nice things to say about Stalin?

(crickets)

Yeah, that's what I thought. Communists need love too.

OK, Stalin had a nice mustache. It looked damned good on him.

jjdayz, I support defending America from the insane scumbags of the world who would attack us. That's why I vote Republican. I suppose it's a tribal thing, America is my tribe and anyone even looking like a threat is a person I want to see with their head on a stick. So yeah I support the war in Iraq and I'm disappointed Iran is still in one piece.

I'll just assume that John McSame wants to pander to gays, but only in private so Hagee and the other Christo-fascists won't get 'upset'.
That way he can get the LCR's votes and campaign cash and no one who matters will be the wiser if he gets elected then immediately throws them under the bus.
That's just GOP SOP.

jprichva saidOh yeah, Kansan, let's all be nice about Obama and nice about McCain.

Hey JP, it wasn't we need "to be all nice" about Obama and McCain, critcism can totally be expressed... its when we begin to criticize each other in a way thats way too personal. There is a way to express your disagreement....and a way thats wrong and will inflame.
We wonder why we have "flame wars" on this site at times.

John43620 said, "I suppose it's a tribal thing, America is my tribe and anyone even looking like a threat is a person I want to see with their head on a stick. So yeah I support the war in Iraq and I'm disappointed Iran is still in one piece."


What if you just crush Piggy's glasses and roast him on the beach?

John43620 saidI don't like the agenda of the Democratic party and question the sanity of anyone who votes Democrat. But my real hatred is reserved for muslim terrorists and and the American Christian Taliban.

Either way you vote your going to have a Muslim terrorist supported black person or a Christian terrorist supported old white man. Ur fucked either way. Let's drink some Jaeger!!!!

People are stupid. You really think quality of life for homos in America supersedes the security of our nation? Obviously you need to reevaluate your loyalty. Americans need to wake the fuck up and see themselves as Americans not black/white, male/ female, gay/ breeder, Dem/ Rep. All that shit is secondary.

Iran, al Qaeda, The Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas... All those psychos hate us. Clinton could have shut down al Qaeda and the Taliban back when he was fuckn' around with intern whores but he didn't. W tried but not with enough balls and now it's a fuckn' mess. I'm voting for McCain because I know he's not going to fuck around with Ahmadinejad's dumb ass. Thank God Africa isn't hot on our ass like the middle east is. With Putin still pulling the strings in Russia who the fuck knows what that could lead to. If China ever decided to go to war with us we'd be totally fucked.

There are nations out there who believe with all their heart that it is their god's will to cleans the earth of non believers starting with Israel and America. Worry about gay marriage when we're at peace. Terrorists want us dead! It's ridiculously unlikely that they will succeed at killing every last American but the truth is they are more than ready to give their lives because martyrdom is the highest honor they will ever achieve. Seriously, a suicide vest will kill you much faster than high gas prices and off the record meetings with the LCR.

Vote however you want but please put your priorities in perspective. You aren't just voting for an American President. You are voting for the most powerful world leader.

slapaho18 saidPeople are stupid. . .

All those psychos hate us. . .

Vote however you want but please put your priorities in perspective.

I'm far less worried about the foreign psychos who hate us than the American psychos who hate us. Anyone associating with the likes of the Christian Taliban is the real enemy.

Why do Republicans hate America?

And why do you think it's hilarious that you started your post with "People are stupid"?

I wouldn't be too concerned with China and Russia, I've seen the American Military Machine in operation and anyone who confronts us conventionally is absolute toast. Well, now anyway.

jprichva said[quote][cite]slapaho18 said[/cite]People are stupid. . .

All those psychos hate us. . .

Vote however you want but please put your priorities in perspective.

I'm far less worried about the foreign psychos who hate us than the American psychos who hate us. Anyone associating with the likes of the Christian Taliban is the real enemy.

Why do Republicans hate America?

And why do you think it's hilarious that you started your post with "People are stupid"?

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Uhhh... You know, the guys responsible for 9/11 and Cobar Towers were foreigners right? Their targets were also Americans. I've never heard of this Christian Taliban. After doing a little reading on it I must say. HAHAHA!!! What a bunch of fuckn' douche bags. The real enemy is ignorance JP. If you only knew how far our gov is willing to go to protect it's own people.

I'm sorry but I can't wrap my mind around how ignorant this question is. If you truly believe Republicans hate Americans then I suggest you have your Dr. either increase your dosage or try a different treatment cuz what you are on isn't doing the trick.

I wasn't laughing when I called people stupid. Much like how I'm not laughing at you.

slapaho18 saidIran, al Qaeda, The Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas... All those psychos hate us...Terrorists want us dead!...Vote however you want but please put your priorities in perspective. You aren't just voting for an American President. You are voting for the most powerful world leader.

I'm sorry, the biggest threat to US security is our catastrophic environmental policy, our financial mismanagement and horrendous debt (to China!), our second-class status in education and medical treatment, selling out our Constitutional rights, and our guns-a-blazin' approach to foreign policy, all costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. Compared to the effects of all of this on our country, terrorist attacks are blips on the radar. Our American dead in Iraq outnumbers those killed on 9/11, and the number of Iraqis killed is (on the conservative side) well over 100,000, with millions of people displaced or exiled.

If McCain wants to go into Iran, the Iraq war will be a laughable sidenote compared to the consequences of such an action. Yes, put your priorities in perspective. A good doctor knows the cure should never cause more harm than the disease.

And since when is ensuring the rights of Americans somehow not having perspective?

mickeytopogigio said[quote][cite]slapaho18 said[/cite]Iran, al Qaeda, The Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas... All those psychos hate us...Terrorists want us dead!...Vote however you want but please put your priorities in perspective. You aren't just voting for an American President. You are voting for the most powerful world leader.

I'm sorry, the biggest threat to US security is our catastrophic environmental policy, our financial mismanagement and horrendous debt (to China!), our second-class status in education and medical treatment, selling out our Constitutional rights, and our guns-a-blazin' approach to foreign policy, all costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. Compared to the effects of all of this on our country, terrorist attacks are blips on the radar. Our American dead in Iraq outnumbers those killed on 9/11, and the number of Iraqis killed is (on the conservative side) well over 100,000, with millions of people displaced or exiled.

If McCain wants to go into Iran, the Iraq war will be a laughable sidenote compared to the consequences of such an action. Yes, put your priorities in perspective. A good doctor knows the cure should never cause more harm than the disease.

And since when is ensuring the rights of Americans somehow not having perspective?[/quote]

How is it guns-a-blazin'? 9/11 happened before we invaded Iraq. What? Should we have licked our wounds and not responded? Blips on the radar? Do you think 9/11 was the last we would ever have heard from them? Not so much... People bitch about the number of American lives lost in the Global War on Terrorism. Keep in mind that not a single one of those Americans was drafted. No that doesn't make it any less tragic but America's military is a volunteer force. You don't join the military unaware that you could be sent into combat. Why do you compare the number of Iraqi deaths to the number of American deaths. It's not a competition. Would you prefer more of them were dead? Not all Iraqis are terrorists. As for the displaced; you think we're not trying to get Iraq on its feet? The exiled... If you got exiled from war torn Iraq what does that say about you?

I pray to God we don't go to war with Iraq. However if we do I feel we stand the best chance with McCain at the helm not some kid from Chi town who's campaign has mostly been spent dealing with meaningless social issues. Regardless of who you vote for America will have a permanent presence in Iraq. It's not what you want to hear but the reality is Iraq is the new South Korea. Deal with it.

As far as domestic affairs I blame that on good old American Capitalist greed. It doesn't matter who you vote for. The rich will fight tooth and nail to keep their status. No president is going to be able to undo the damage caused by cannibalistic corporate America. I blame them for the environment too. The gov can try to control corporate America all they want. There's no taming that hydra. As far as our education system. I pin that one on Americans as well. Just because you don't have the best school in the county doesn't mean you piss away your education get caught up in drugs and get knocked up with 16 of your closest gal pals. Where the fuck is personal responsibility? You mean to tell me every American is giving their all to be successful but they are being screwed by the gov? I estimate less than half of all Americans truly focus their all into being successful. Too many of us expect a free ride.

Voting for the US president based heavily on domestic perspectives in my mind is stupid. The 08 election is bigger than America. Like I said, we're voting for the most powerful world leader. I expect he will have bigger issues to deal with. Global War on Terrorism, energy independence, national debt, border security, the strength of the dollar... Gay marriage falls pretty low on my list of topics I want addressed by my president.

slapaho18 saidVoting for the US president based heavily on domestic perspectives in my mind is stupid.

This election isn't about gay marriage on any other of your silly straw men. It's about returning this country to the rule of law.

And anyone who thinks that "terrorism" is going to be beaten by invading Iran or staying in Iraq is a moron. The English have endured terrorist activity for years from the IRA and the only thing that finally stopped it was a POLITICAL solution. Years of military browbeating did nothing, and it won't do it for us either.

But, hey, speaking of Korea, apparently the country that you want the USA to imitate is North Korea. They don't have silly things like constitutions or inherent rights either. Why don't you and the rest of you Republicans move there? If they'd have you.

John43620 saidOK, Stalin had a nice mustache. It looked damned good on him.

jjdayz, I support defending America from the insane scumbags of the world who would attack us. That's why I vote Republican. I suppose it's a tribal thing, America is my tribe and anyone even looking like a threat is a person I want to see with their head on a stick. So yeah I support the war in Iraq and I'm disappointed Iran is still in one piece.

You ever think that maybe they wouldnt hate us so much if we didnt antagonize them every chance we get?

jprichva said[quote][cite]slapaho18 said[/cite]Voting for the US president based heavily on domestic perspectives in my mind is stupid.

This election isn't about gay marriage on any other of your silly straw men. It's about returning this country to the rule of law.

And anyone who thinks that "terrorism" is going to be beaten by invading Iran or staying in Iraq is a moron. The English have endured terrorist activity for years from the IRA and the only thing that finally stopped it was a POLITICAL solution. Years of military browbeating did nothing, and it won't do it for us either.

But, hey, speaking of Korea, apparently the country that you want the USA to imitate is North Korea. They don't have silly things like constitutions or inherent rights either. Why don't you and the rest of you Republicans move there? If they'd have you.[/quote]

Does UN sanctions against Iran count as political solution? Do you really think al Qaeda, The Taliban, Hezbolla, and Hamas will respond to the UN or any other formal government entity? Most of those groups are the self appointed formal government entity in their countries with no responsibility to anybody else. What political solutions would you suggest in order to prevent The Taliban from trying to kill more Americans like they did on 9/11?

Obviously you misunderstood my S. Korea analogy. We went into S. Korea to and never left. I don't see us ever leaving Iraq thus my statement about Iraq being the new S. Korea.

As far as leaving America... Fat chance asshole. I'm in the military. My life is dedicated to defending liberty and yes your constitutional rights. Although I may not enjoy how you exploit your rights I will protect them like I swore to do in my oath of enlistment. Eat it up bitch.

How is it guns-a-blazin'? 9/11 happened before we invaded Iraq. What? Should we have licked our wounds and not responded?

Um Al-queda was not even active in Iraq until after we invaded. So invading iraq was not an accurate response to 9-11. We were on the right track with the invasion of Afghanistan, but the war in Iraq was a farce forced upon us by a lying government.

I am not voting for Obama because of his agenda concerning the gays, i am voting for him because he provides a voice of reason in this political atmosphere that george bush has created, where the world hates us for our actions and americans are at best tolerated outside the country. It makes a difference, no matter what you think. Electing someone so closely tied with Bush to a term in the white house will just serve to further isolate us from the rest of the world.

slapaho18 said As far as leaving America... Fat chance asshole. I'm in the military. My life is dedicated to defending liberty and yes your constitutional rights.

Before you make a further ass of yourself by swaggering about protecting my constitutional rights, you ought to find out what the Constitution actually is. You've sworn to protect it and you haven't the least idea what's in it.

Idiot.

jjdayz saidHow is it guns-a-blazin'? 9/11 happened before we invaded Iraq. What? Should we have licked our wounds and not responded?

Um Al-queda was not even active in Iraq until after we invaded. So invading iraq was not an accurate response to 9-11. We were on the right track with the invasion of Afghanistan, but the war in Iraq was a farce forced upon us by a lying government.

I am not voting for Obama because of his agenda concerning the gays, i am voting for him because he provides a voice of reason in this political atmosphere that george bush has created, where the world hates us for our actions and americans are at best tolerated outside the country. It makes a difference, no matter what you think. Electing someone so closely tied with Bush to a term in the white house will just serve to further isolate us from the rest of the world.

We didn't go into Iraq to seek out al Qaeda. We went in to seek out these mythical WMDs. Yes that was a big cluster. After freeing Iraq from Sadam and the Baath Party the cluster only got nastier. However we have set in motion a evolutionary reaction. Iraq and it's people are evolving rapidly. No way in hell they will be as advanced as America any time soon but their eyes are opening to a world that Saddam hid from them.

Afghanistan... That's actually Taliban country and has little if anything to do with Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is the result of Saddam setting all his prisoners free and opening the borders prior to the fall of Baghdad. Taliban was responsible for 9/11.

No doubt we are not the most loved country in the world. In reality though who is? After traveling Europe and Asia I've learned that people hate people. I'm pretty sure I don't have to go to S. America to know it's the same down there as well. I find Obama very charismatic but I sense no substance in his feel good words. I just don't see a gentlemanly way to resolve the terrorist attacks around the world against us and our allies. I certainly don't prefer war but how else are we to effectively deal with ruthless suicidal terrorists?

jprichva said[quote][cite]slapaho18 said[/cite] As far as leaving America... Fat chance asshole. I'm in the military. My life is dedicated to defending liberty and yes your constitutional rights.

Before you make a further ass of yourself by swaggering about protecting my constitutional rights, you ought to find out what the Constitution actually is. You've sworn to protect it and you haven't the least idea what's in it.

Idiot.[/quote]

I know there's nothing in the constitution that says you can't pack up all your shit and leave America.

slapaho18 saidI certainly don't prefer war but how else are we to effectively deal with ruthless suicidal terrorists?

War has never stopped terrorism. War breeds terrorism. The guys on Fox News sound really smart, but they're not looking out for you, and their arguments fall apart under the most basic scrutiny.

Somebody has taught you fear, and you're letting fear make your decisions. Don't fall into that trap; you're being manipulated, and far too easily. You can put a stop to the manipulation. Don't be afraid; if you're brave you can have your country back.

America can only be defeated from within. Stand up for your country, and don't let the terrorists or the puppet masters controlling the oil production tell you who to fear and goad you into giving away your country. It's yours. Stop giving it away.

Hey guys,

mickeytopogigio said[quote][cite]slapaho18 said[/cite]I certainly don't prefer war but how else are we to effectively deal with ruthless suicidal terrorists?

War has never stopped terrorism. War breeds terrorism. The guys on Fox News sound really smart, but they're not looking out for you, and their arguments fall apart under the most basic scrutiny.

Somebody has taught you fear, and you're letting fear make your decisions. Don't fall into that trap; you're being manipulated, and far too easily. You can put a stop to the manipulation. Don't be afraid; if you're brave you can have your country back.

America can only be defeated from within. Stand up for your country, and don't let the terrorists or the puppet masters controlling the oil production tell you who to fear and goad you into giving away your country. It's yours. Stop giving it away.[/quote]

You didn't answer my question.

I've been to Iraq. I'm pretty sure Greta Van Susteren and Steve Ducey didn't launch that mortar that landed 300 feet away from me. I sareiously doubt Greg Gutfeld and Bill Hemmer filled the 30+ mass grave found last summer in Fallujah. If you think Alan Combs is a terrorist I'll buy into that one but I refuse to believe Megan Kelly has an AK47 hidden in the closet next to her manolos. Mike, All the middle east knows is war. Since biblical days tribes in the middle east have been trying to wipe one another out.

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

To me the only way to stop them is to open up their minds and break the Kung Fu grip their religious leaders have on them. That's obviously not going to happen over night. Till then we have to be ready to lock horns or risk another 9/11.

[quote]

We didn't go into Iraq to seek out al Qaeda. We went in to seek out these mythical WMDs. Yes that was a big cluster. After freeing Iraq from Sadam and the Baath Party the cluster only got nastier. However we have set in motion a evolutionary reaction. Iraq and it's people are evolving rapidly. No way in hell they will be as advanced as America any time soon but their eyes are opening to a world that Saddam hid from them.

I certainly don't prefer war but how else are we to effectively deal with ruthless suicidal terrorists?[/quote]

Slapaho...
maybe if you read a little more you might start to see that the real reason we went into Iraq and are STILL in Iraq didn't have to do with terrorism
because there was none there

and we didn't go in because of WMD's
that was their excuse
Now you can continue to put your fingers in your ears and believe that's not true but after 5 friggin' years it should be pretty much evident to every living breathing organism with a neural network that its true

Where your advocacy of this insane policy is endangering all of us is that by allowing us to be there and remain in Iraq we are actually breeding more terrorists than not

You say the Iraqi people are evolving?
Into what?
People who eat cotton candy and go to Disneyland?
Are you that naive???
Rain bombs down on your head...cut off your electric
and put you out of work for 5 years and see how much you'll like America
The hatred for America is all over the world
and its making al queda look good to millions of people
we're their best recruitment strategy

redheaded_dude saidHey guys,

Economic imperialist

GQjock said[quote]

We didn't go into Iraq to seek out al Qaeda. We went in to seek out these mythical WMDs. Yes that was a big cluster. After freeing Iraq from Sadam and the Baath Party the cluster only got nastier. However we have set in motion a evolutionary reaction. Iraq and it's people are evolving rapidly. No way in hell they will be as advanced as America any time soon but their eyes are opening to a world that Saddam hid from them.

I certainly don't prefer war but how else are we to effectively deal with ruthless suicidal terrorists?

Slapaho...
maybe if you read a little more you might start to see that the real reason we went into Iraq and are STILL in Iraq didn't have to do with terrorism
because there was none there

and we didn't go in because of WMD's
that was their excuse
Now you can continue to put your fingers in your ears and believe that's not true but after 5 friggin' years it should be pretty much evident to every living breathing organism with a neural network that its true

Where your advocacy of this insane policy is endangering all of us is that by allowing us to be there and remain in Iraq we are actually breeding more terrorists than not

You say the Iraqi people are evolving?
Into what?
People who eat cotton candy and go to Disneyland?
Are you that naive???
Rain bombs down on your head...cut off your electric
and put you out of work for 5 years and see how much you'll like America
The hatred for America is all over the world
and its making al queda look good to millions of people
we're their best recruitment strategy [/quote]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. The only reason Iraq seemed peaceful prior to Saddam's overthrow is because the people were too afraid of Saddam and his sons. By removing Saddam we set loose a number of other demons. Yes it was silly of us to think that we would be kicking back with a cold one following the overthrow of Saddam. I want to write more but I have to get to work. I'll try to write more when I get back home tonight.

I don't know why you guys bother.

It is bad enough when the seriously misled banter on with, "they hate us for our freedom," but it is even worse when the homocons get started with it. I hope that Obama crushes McBush!

start rant
On another note altogether, I disagree with the poster who basically said let's all play nice together. It is time that the Democrats get down in the gutter with the Republicans and whip them at their own game. The problem is that the Democrats aren't used to gutter attacks like the Republicans are and quite frankly, they need to start learning how to engage in them. (They also need to stop pretending to be Republicans.)

If Republicans and those of their ilk can make Max Cleland look like a terrorist, then Democrats should get equally nasty and sling mud all over Republicans. (For example, how about hanging those holier-than-thou hyprocrites (there are so many on the right: Fosella, Vitter, Craig....) right out to dry). Save the kumbaya already!

Stop dreaming and stop playing nice; it doesn't work with Republicans and they most certainly do not deserve it.
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It's more than that my man
This administration are actual war criminals in every sense of the word

Bush confesses to war crimes
By Nicolas J S Davies
Sep 11, 2006, 00:31

George W. Bush's speech on September 6 amounted to a public confession to criminal violations of the 1996 War Crimes Act. He implicitly admitted authorizing disappearances, extrajudicial imprisonment, torture, transporting prisoners between countries and denying the International Committee of the Red Cross access to prisoners.

These are all serious violations of the Geneva Conventions. The War Crimes Act makes grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and all violations of Common Article 3 punishable by fines, imprisonment or, if death results to the victim, the death penalty.

At the same time, Bush asked Congress to amend the War Crimes Act in order to retroactively protect him and other U.S. officials from prosecution for these crimes, and from civil lawsuits arising from them. He justified this on the basis that "our military and intelligence personnel involved in capturing and questioning terrorists could now be at risk of prosecution under the War Crimes Act . . . ," and insisted that “passing this legislation ought to be the top priority” for Congress between now and the election in November.

and Bush and his criminal partners are being protected by a morally bankrupt and corrupt political party
at which we have a flip-flopping nutcase at it lead

atlnvmasc said[quote][cite]John90210 said[/cite]I don't like the agenda of the Democratic party and question the sanity of anyone who votes Democrat. But my real hatred is reserved for muslim terrorists and and the American Christian Taliban.

I hate Communists....and the Prussians....and the HUNGARIANS!

and whoever else I'm told to fear/hate at the time.

I stopped thinking for myself so it looks like I need to hate Muslim terrorists now too.

All this hating is hard work.


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I'm assuming you're joking and are smarter than that Atlnvmasc, and if so LMAOROFL!!! Good one!

GQjock, those aren't war crimes. If the enemy was a legitimate military force representing a legitimate hostile country then it would be a war crime. That isn't the case at all though.
So why are you supporting terrorists? They will use any means to kill us, why shouldn't we use any means to kill them back?

I think the Bush administration has been rather tame in the fight against the terrorists.

boiwunderkind1984 said[quote][cite]atlnvmasc said[/cite][quote][cite]John90210 said[/cite]I don't like the agenda of the Democratic party and question the sanity of anyone who votes Democrat. But my real hatred is reserved for muslim terrorists and and the American Christian Taliban.

I hate Communists....and the Prussians....and the HUNGARIANS!

and whoever else I'm told to fear/hate at the time.

I stopped thinking for myself so it looks like I need to hate Muslim terrorists now too.

All this hating is hard work.


[/quote]

I'm assuming you're joking and are smarter than that Atlnvmasc, and if so LMAOROFL!!! Good one![/quote]

yes, I was. You can just go through a list of all the people our government/media has told us to hate over the last 100 years....it's disgusting. Libyans, Russians, Afghanis, Iraqis, N Koreans, Vietnamese....it's just the same BS regurgitated to fuel the military-industrial complex.

If the tables were turned and they invaded us for our resources, would we do whatever we could to keep our way of life, including strapping bombs to ourselves? Probably....

Thus I sort of agree with John43620 in that we need to play as dirty as they do...but lets just not lie about the fact that we do it. Saying "we have to be the bigger person" is, IMO, BS. Like I said if the tables were turned and we were the ones invaded for BOGUS reasons, we would be the "terrorists."

BUT...here is the lying part again. From as far back as hunter/gatherer societies we have waged war on other people for resources, whether they be women, land, water, food, etc. OIL is no different. Bush just played to the idiotic American FEAR of losing their ipods, SUVs and other conveniences and LIED HIS FACE OFF to the American people about WMDs and "they attacked us cuz they hate freedom."* Had he just said "WE NEED OIL and WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IT," I would feel a fraction better about the scenario. But instead he lied and now to add to it private oil companies are awarded no-bid contracts to the oil fields....how much is the Bush/Cheney/Clinton/etc/etc profiting on this? Are we going to get gauged at the pumps forever?



*"Seriously if the Iraqi's truly hated freedom, as Bush says, then the Netherlands would be fucking dust. As well as Sweden, Denmark, Canada and other countries that are truly freer than thn we are."

---david cross from "it's not funny" CD

slapaho18 said
You didn't answer my question.

What the fuck was your question? I have so much trouble reading the embedded quotes within quotes in your posts that I can never tell when your actual response starts. When you quote someone, highlight and delete the parts in their quote that don't apply to what you're about to talk about. It already takes me 20 minutes to read through all the shit that everyone else has posted without RE-reading it in your post.

So, to summarize, what the fuck was your question?

slapaho18 said[quote]

As far as leaving America... Fat chance asshole. I'm in the military. My life is dedicated to defending liberty and yes your constitutional rights. Although I may not enjoy how you exploit your rights I will protect them like I swore to do in my oath of enlistment. Eat it up bitch.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your badly mistaken if you really believe that your fighting in Iraq for my liberty, and my constitutional rights !!! Damn it take off your uniform, get mentally out of it too, and do some research for yourself. The facts are out there as plain as the nose on your face. This war is not about our freedom or giving freedom to Iraquies or Afghans, it is all about controling oil in the middle east for "OUR INTERESTS" or better stated bush/cheney chronies in the oil business. Read the stated goals in the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY, by the way the membership in large part consists of Bush's VP, and cabinet heads, some are-Cheney,gdubya and brother jeb, Wolfowicz, Feith, Libby, Rumsfeld, Abrams, to name a few, and a good share of these have double citizenships with the US, and Israel, and are also members of the Zionist group. NO BUDDY!!! YOU ARE NOT OVER THERE FOR OUR CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTIES !!! Your over there fighting to insure that the OIL PIPELINE can be installed accross Afghanistan (in view of poppy fields, whose yeild of money was used by the CIA to fund the AlQuida/Madrassa's back in the 80's), and over there in Iraq so bush can force an agreement down the Iraq peoples throat to control their airspace, maintain 50 or so military bases, all with immunity for the soldiers/contractors can cause unnecessary loss of life can go unpunished for it, and so our big oil giants can get their hands on Iraqs Oil and we can control it. This travesty has caused more than 2 million to lose their homes, almost 5,000 soldiers dead, nearly 30,000 maimed, billions unaccounted for. NO B'JESUS your not fighting over there for my liberty/constitution. This war is so missrepresented to US citizens, and you hardworking soldiers, that its beyond just a criminal act on bushe/cheney's part, its treasonous, these guys are murderers. While your over their bush has done more ruin for our constitutional liberties, than the last 42 presidents put together, he's been behind torture, illegal imprisonments, and too much more for me to write it all down. Start Reading and looking into researching aside from what the Military opinions your fed, Look up GlobalResearch.ca for starters, Look up the investigative reporter Parry for some facts about what our CIA has done behind the seens that has caused all this mess. Hell, I'll help you find material to read if you cannot find it from the above, These writers document very well what they write, there are plenty of references you can look up to verify their statements too,Its obvious you don't have a clear picture of why your over there !!! Its definately not for our Liberty!!! you need your eyes opened man !!!!