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I have a friend that wants to be a political analyst. We were talking and he did this entire calculation and research and whatnot and he believes he has predicted what the election outcome will be.

I figure, we have people from all over the country here. Let’s put it to a test. I am suggesting that for the next 3 days, people put down their vote AND what state they are from.

(I.E. my answer would be)

Nathan: Arizona, Obama

I’m just doing this cause I am curious if he is right because his projection is one of the candidates will lose by 2 points.

Since it is Wednesday, we’ll “close the polls” at 6pm on Saturday.

P.S. I am not looking for anyone to politically argue with anyone, but if a political conversation starts, then go a head.

Caslon: Virginia, Obama

I don't know why your friend would be making predictions for the fall now. But as it stands, things look very, very bad for McCain. Polling shows Obama up against McCain in general popular vote by more than 2 points. But in terms of electoral collage he is up between 30 and 100 points.

MZ: New York. Barr.

MunchingZombie saidMZ: New York. Barr.

You're kidding, right?

jprichva said[quote][cite]MunchingZombie said[/cite]MZ: New York. Barr.

You're kidding, right?

Hey, you dont quiz voters. ...You just vote.

Oops...you didnt.

I keeping an open mind through the debates, but right now I'm solidly


Todd / Arizona / McCain

Ruck_us / TX / Clinton (whoops, I meant Obama)

KC/New York/OBAMA

david; south florida, obama

Agent Grey Squirrel: Your roof: Cpt Crunch

Chad - Georgia - McCain

Although we do have people from all over the country here, the results you get would be far from generalizable (this is a gay community).

Vlas saidAlthough we do have people from all over the country here, the results you get would be far from generalizable (this is a gay community).

Exactly, by polling the gay community, I'll get the opinions of the cultured and just plain better citizens of the country.

As a gay man and someone who has lived through some of the horrors that this country has gone through I am voting for the only choice that I can make

Joey: Florida: The only sane choice

This is totally a biased platform to conduct a "cross section" vote of america, hello we are all GAY!!!

But....

Jason: Texas, Obama

MunchingZombie saidI don't know why your friend would be making predictions for the fall now. But as it stands, things look very, very bad for McCain. Polling shows Obama up against McCain in general popular vote by more than 2 points. But in terms of electoral collage he is up between 30 and 100 points.

MZ: New York. Barr.

What is a "Barr." is that shortform for somebody?

It is way too early to predict the November 2008 election, but McCain better hope the economy does not get much worse. It is not his fault that it is tanking but voters have a tendency to be pretty naive and uneducated about economic issues. They invariably blame the incumbent party for economic woes (remember 1992?).

RLDad-Virginia-OBAMA

stonecoldfoxboy saidChad - Georgia - McCain

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ah!!!! CUM-ON!!!!!!!!!!! Chad, you can vote Democratic this time around man !!! I won't tell !!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JBE60 said

What is a "Barr." is that shortform for somebody?

Bob Barr is the Libertarian candidate for president. He used to be a Republican. His claim to fame is leading the impeachment push against Pres. Clinton.

Thanks Caslon4000. Not a great resume for a candidate. It is nice to know that Americans have more than two choices though. In the last Federal Canadian election, I had a choice of 8 candidates I believe.

Four were serious vote getters (Conservative, Liberal, New Democratic Party, Green) and four were less so (e.g. Natural Law Party, Communists, Marijuana Party). We used to have a Rhinoceros party that was a hoot. Sadly I think they have now folded (the founder died I believe).

CuriousJockAZ saidI keeping an open mind through the debates, but right now I'm solidly


Todd / Arizona / McCain

Tragic


CHRIS/ Kansas/ OBAMA

Joel: Washington: Obama- The real first president of the 21st century (Bush was the last president of the 19th century).

JBE60 saidThanks Caslon4000. Not a great resume for a candidate. It is nice to know that Americans have more than two choices though. In the last Federal Canadian election, I had a choice of 8 candidates I believe.

Four were serious vote getters (Conservative, Liberal, New Democratic Party, Green) and four were less so (e.g. Natural Law Party, Communists, Marijuana Party). We used to have a Rhinoceros party that was a hoot. Sadly I think they have now folded (the founder died I believe).

The Rhinoceros party may be defunct, but the NeoRhino party has taken its place!

Thanks MunchingZombie for that link. I love the picture of the four major party leaders in a circle around a rhino! You gotta love Canadian politics, who says we can't have fun.

My dream is to see a Natural Law Party candidate get elected. A little bit of levitation during Question Period can't be a bad thing right?

JBE60 said A little bit of levitation during Question Period can't be a bad thing right?

Sure, especially if one of them is a fairy!

swimbikerun said[quote][cite]JBE60 said[/cite] A little bit of levitation during Question Period can't be a bad thing right?

Sure, especially if one of them is a fairy![/quote]

Hehe, that was clever I must admit.

John - Ohio - McCain (No Surprises Here)

I don't think that RJ is anywhere near scientific though.

Buckwheat, that's "Secret Squirrel", with his sidekick "Morroco Mole".

The sample survey here really wouldn't be statistically accurate: I'd assume the majority of folks lean more liberal so you won't get a good conservative base (or really an independent measure). And hopefully your friend is talking about the results right now - there are too many variables between now and election day to pick the percentages of states.

That said, Sean, Ohio, Obama.

MunchingZombie saidI don't know why your friend would be making predictions for the fall now. But as it stands, things look very, very bad for McCain. Polling shows Obama up against McCain in general popular vote by more than 2 points. But in terms of electoral collage he is up between 30 and 100 points.

MZ: New York. Barr.

I was reminded that Dukakis was up 18 points against George H. W. Bush (Shrub's dad) at this point in '88. It's still early and I worry that the Democrats can still lose this, and/or that the Republicans will be particularly nasty (read: desperate). But, I'm optimistic. History is on our side.

Eric / Obama / California

Caslon4000 said
Hey, you dont quiz voters. ...You just vote.

Oops...you didnt.

If anyone has the slightest doubt how I'll vote, they don't read my posts.

JP / Florida / Josef Stalin

Caslon4000 saidBob Barr is the more than slightly deranged Libertarian candidate for president.

Fixed it for ya, Caslon.

marc - georgia - OBAMA

um, Barricade/Kentucky/Obama

I wonder if the results will be what your friend predicts.

McCain, Iowa

jprichva said[quote][cite]Caslon4000 said[/cite]
Hey, you dont quiz voters. ...You just vote.

Oops...you didnt.

If anyone has the slightest doubt how I'll vote, they don't read my posts.

JP / Florida / Josef Stalin

Oh, DUH! You're in Florida. How could we expect you to get it right! ... ...

Joe / South Cakalaki / Obama!

As the only SC vote up on here, does that mean Obama gets ALL our electoral votes? Boy, will OUR senators be surprised!

[quote][cite]Caslon4000 said[cite][quote][cite]


Oh, DUH! You're in Florida. How could we expect you to get it right! ... ... [/quote]

Don't worry Caslon I will make sure that I cancel his vote out

Spinningguy/Florida/Obama

And I am from Central Florida where they actually know how to count a vote so I am pretty sure mine will make it in!!!

HndsmKansan said[quote][cite]CuriousJockAZ said[/cite]I keeping an open mind through the debates, but right now I'm solidly


Todd / Arizona / McCain

Tragic


CHRIS/ Kansas/ OBAMA[/quote]


Hey, Hndsm, that's not fair...I said I was keeping an "Open Mind"

Obama needs to show me more than than a few admittedly inspiring speeches. He's spent little time as a Senator doing ANYTHING other than run for President. I'm not so sure I'm convinced he's even that great of a Senator, much less that he'd be a great President.

I can think of a few dozen candidates that would be way more tragic than John McCain.

Uh, you realize of course you are asking this question under a Gay Men's Forum... Which is a primarily Democratic demographic.

LOL

I doubt any one, at this point, is gonna "guess" Hilary. And most would probably suffer some shrinkage and clenched buttocks at the thought of McCain even coming close to winning....

But sure, let's test the waters, lol

MunchingZombie said:

I can think of a few dozen candidates that would be way more tragic than John McCain.

Mike Huckabee for starters, if he is selected as VP then the end of the USA as a great country could be on the horizon.

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JBE60 said[b]MunchingZombie said:

[i]I can think of a few dozen candidates that would be way more tragic than John McCain.
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Mike Huckabee for starters, if he is selected as VP then the end of the USA as a great country could be on the horizon.[/b][/i][/b]

I agree...If McCain were to select Huckabee, there is no way I would vote McCain. I tend to think this isn't going to happen, and that Huckabee knows this already, or else he would not have accepted the analyst job on FOX NEWS. I think we need Mitt Romney in the V.P. slot. He obviously knows his shit when it comes to business, and our economy is in the crapper BIG time.

CuriousJockAZ said[quote][cite]JBE60 said[/cite][b]MunchingZombie said:

[i]I can think of a few dozen candidates that would be way more tragic than John McCain.

Mike Huckabee for starters, if he is selected as VP then the end of the USA as a great country could be on the horizon.

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I agree...If McCain were to select Huckabee, there is no way I would vote McCain. I tend to think this isn't going to happen, and that Huckabee knows this already, or else he would not have accepted the analyst job on FOX NEWS. I think McCain really needs Mitt Romney in the V.P. slot. He obviously knows his shit when it comes to business, and with this countries current economy in the crapper we need someone of his caliber to help guide us back on track.[/quote]

He knows his shit when it comes to business?

And i quote"Mr. Romney, though, never ran a corner store or a traditional business. Instead, he excelled as a deal maker, a buyer and seller of companies, a master at the art of persuasion that he demonstrated in the talks that led to the forming of Bain Capital.

“Mitt ran a private equity firm, not a cement company,” said Eric A. Kriss, a former Bain Capital partner. “He was not a businessman in the sense of running a company,” Mr. Kriss said, adding, “He was a great presenter, a great spokesman and a great salesman.”

Supporters of Mr. Romney argue that those skills also equip him for public office, whether as governor of Massachusetts, which he was for four years, or as president.

“In private equity and in consulting, a lot of what you rely on is trust and confidence and persuasion,” said Mr. Kriss, who worked in Mr. Romney’s cabinet when he was governor. “It is the same in the public sphere, and over many decades that is what Mitt has proven to be good at.”


Straight out of the NYT's. Isnt this exactly what we have now? A good old boy that is good at convincing people to see what he wants them to see? I wont go so far as to say shrub has skills as a presenter, but he is a salesman and people bought into his good old boy persona... Mitt Romney is exactly what we do not need in the white house. I do not need more promises and great speeches, i need actions and decisveness... the US is not a company you can buy and sell in order to make a profit.

Mitt's a Mor(m)on. They're the craziest christians of all. Ok, that's debatable, but still, it's a pretty cuckoo set of beliefs.

Iowa, undecided

I caucused for Edwards, and I thought a policy wonk like Hillary would make a more effective POTUS than Obama, but I had planned on voting for Obama in Nov. But, after Obama showed he's willing to wipe his ass with the Constitution (support for FISA), I am now undecided.

Vlas saidAlthough we do have people from all over the country here, the results you get would be far from generalizable (this is a gay community).

That's true but how you do figure there are GAY MEN here that actually will vote for a Republican, that would take away whatever rights we have and further plunge us into debt and war?

TallGWMVballer said; "That's true but how you do figure there are GAY MEN here that actually will vote for a Republican, that would take away whatever rights we have and further plunge us into debt and war?"

Just to clarify the issue, it's the christian taliban wing of the party that would oppress us and deny us rights, not the whole Republican party. We of the LGBT community have been surprisingly shielded actually by the Republican party. We Republicans unfortunately have to put up with the christian taliban. They may be sitting the election out, which would be great, even if Senator McCain loses. The christian taliban make us look bad to sane people. I'd be happy to see them go.

The war, it's necessary and would cost us much more if we lose. Right now, we're winning the war. I just read in TIMES magazine that Iraqis polled trust Americans more than their own government. I just happened to be in the waiting area at the VA clinic this morning and the magazine said "read me, read me".

Debt is unfortunate but Senator McCain knows where the fat is and where to trim it. He's been in the Senate and Congress for almost three decades.

The job of the Presidency of the United States is a rollercoaster ride that's event driven. No one knows the future but it just makes sense that Senator Mccain is better prepared than Senator Obama.

An Obama victory could spark unintended consequences such as investors pulling out and the stock market going to hell. Who knows what Israel might do with Iran.

John43620No one knows the future but it just makes sense that Senator Mccain is better prepared than Senator Obama.

Only if we need to crash all of our aircraft.

Ron Carter, LOS ANGELES, California


OBAMA!

[quote][cite]John43620 said[/cite
The war, it's necessary and would cost us much more if we lose. Right now, we're winning the war. I just read in TIMES magazine that Iraqis polled trust Americans more than their own government. I just happened to be in the waiting area at the VA clinic this morning and the magazine said "read me, read me".

Debt is unfortunate but Senator McCain knows where the fat is and where to trim it. He's been in the Senate and Congress for almost three decades.
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Two words, You're Crazy. The war is not, was not, and never will be necessary. It was a complete farce. We are never going to "win" this war because we lost just by starting it. The whole world lost by this war happening and the result is what you see today. Consumer confidence at its lowest point ever, a record budget deficit, american's of all incomes losing their houses. These were all unintended consequences of a moron being president, and your candidate would keep that going.

If McCain knew where the fat was and how to trim it, then why in three decades of office has he not be able to make that happen?

Paul / Massachusetts / Obama

Having lived four years with Mitt Romney as governor here, he's as slimy as they get. He played a lot of tricks here to 'balance' the budget like a 'business'. When he left office, suddenly a large debt materialized for the next governor. He did everything that he possibly could to stop gay marriage here... and failed thankfully. This man doesn't belong in any political office.

Texas and a throw away vote for Obama since the NEO Nazis will Vote for John "The Manchurian Candidate" McCain. Do we really want a bottom 1%er for the Leader of this Country. and his Dad was an Admiral that knew everybody at USNA

Mc Gay Mormons are not Christians

John The GOP has embraced the Values of Hate that the Christian Right Champions. I just wonder if they had LOG CABIN clubs at the Death Camps.

Hucklebee is a NUT CASE

Bain Co has screwed a lot of people out of their retirement funds. I was from Boston and I remember the pickets when Romney ran against Kennedy

So when do we find out who the Vice Presidents are going to be?

My guess for McCain's VP candidate is Romney, and for Obama's it is a toss up between Edwards and the guy that used to be the Secretary of The Navy, forgotten his name, damn!

If I was an American I would vote for the Democrats, but I am not convinced that Obama is the saviour that some people hope he is. The problems the USA are facing, especially with the aging boomers and the economy, are very daunting. Strangely enough I don't think either candidate is better or worse for national security.

JBE60 saidSo when do we find out who the Vice Presidents are going to be?

They're announced during the party's convention:

Dem: Aug 25-28 Denver
http://www.demconvention.com/

Rep: Sept 1-4 Minneapolis
http://www.gopconvention.com/

I think both got pushed back because of the Olympics (Aug 8-24).

JBE60 saidSo when do we find out who the Vice Presidents are going to be?

My guess for McCain's VP candidate is Romney, and for Obama's it is a toss up between Edwards and the guy that used to be the Secretary of The Navy, forgotten his name, damn!

Jim Webb. Jim is awesome. I like him a lot. But I think he would be a liability. Edwards would be a great choice for him and polls in swing states show it. But he is yesterdays news. Someone who is new, refreshing, and not part of the party establishment would be ideal but I can't seem to think of anyone.

MunchingZombie saidI can think of a few dozen candidates that would be way more tragic than John McCain.

They aren't running for President, McCain is.. and I'm being funny. McCain himself is a good man, the Republican cause is .. unfortunate...

Mike: NJ, McCain

National security counts Men!

Obama is NOT qualified for the position of President of the most powerful country in the free world. End of story.

HndsmKansan saidThey aren't running for President, McCain is.. and I'm being funny. McCain himself is a good man, the Republican cause is .. unfortunate...

I am willing to go as far as "alright guy" but I see what you are saying. I just find the general "McCain is the anti-Christ" chatter to be irksome sometimes but usually amusing. Sorry to step on your toesies.

MikemikeMike saidMike: NJ, McCain

National security counts Men!

Obama is NOT qualified for the position of President of the most powerful country in the free world. End of story.

Hm, I do believe the story that's ending is the one of the Conservative Era.

Finito.

MunchingZombie said I just find the general "McCain is the anti-Christ" chatter to be irksome sometimes but usually amusing. Sorry to step on your toesies.

Yeah? Did you ever stop to anagram his name? It actually spells "Satan".

jprichva said[quote]Yeah? Did you ever stop to anagram his name? It actually spells "Satan".

Which is funny because an anagram of Obama's name is "super awesome delicious". And pure evil is often quite tasty.

Seriously guys, how much power and influence does the US President really have? Isn't Congress just as important if not more so? And are the Congressmen's voting patterns not swayed to a certain extent by lobbyists?

BTW if you are running out of good VP candidates for Mr. McCain, Canada has a slightly used Conservative ex-cabinet minister that we could spare. The only smudge on his CV is the little incident of sharing confidential cabinet documents with his mistress. But nobody is perfect right?

[quote][cite]MunchingZombie said
Jim Webb. Jim is awesome. I like him a lot. But I think he would be a liability. Edwards would be a great choice for him and polls in swing states show it. But he is yesterdays news.[/quote]

Webb's a good campaigner and asset for Obama, but he's got WAY too much baggage to be his VP. Edwards couldn't win the south when he was with Kerry; not sure how he'd help now.

Evan Bayh (Indiana Senator) seems like a good candidate for Barack. Maybe Sebellius (Kansas Guv), but I don't know if she can even win her own state, much less the central part of the country.

McCain's choices are awful. Charlie Crist (Florida Guv) or Tim Pawlenty (Minnesota Guv) seem the best of a putrid bunch.

MikemikeMike saidMike: NJ, McCain

National security counts Men!

Obama is NOT qualified for the position of President of the most powerful country in the free world. End of story.

National security?? Our bordering neighbors are Canada and Mexico... are you really that worried about an invasion? And you have a better chance of getting struck by lightening while getting run over by a bus on the same day you win the lottery than of being killed in a terrorist attack. Besides, haven't you taken high school American history? "Commander in Chief" is a nominal title at best...the president actually has little to no influence over "national security" anyway. That should be at the bottom of the priority list in picking a president.

I also fail to see how Obama is "unqualified" for the presidency. Unless support for tax breaks for the rich, opposition to health care for children and the poor, homophobia, xenophobia, frighteningly fanatic nationalism, and a commitment to demonstrably failed domestic and foreign policy are somehow essential to being president than I don't know how any one could call Obama less qualified than McCain.

If you somehow still support McCain, just watch the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

That video demonstrates in only 3 minutes why McCain isn't fit to be county dog-catcher, let alone president. I wouldn't vote for that two-faced hypocrite even if his opponent was Al Sharpton, let alone an eloquent, progressive thinker who may actually undo some of the damage of the last 8 years, rather than perpetuating it. (So far the "worst" thing the republicans have on Obama is that he occasionally doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin... can you say desperate?)

treader saidPaul / Massachusetts / Obama

Having lived four years with Mitt Romney as governor here, he's as slimy as they get. He played a lot of tricks here to 'balance' the budget like a 'business'. When he left office, suddenly a large debt materialized for the next governor. He did everything that he possibly could to stop gay marriage here... and failed thankfully. This man doesn't belong in any political office.

Hmmmm, and yet he won the Massachusetts primary. Guess the Republicans in your state don't happen to agree with you

Josh: North Carolina *McCain*

OBAMA ALL THE WAY TO WASHINGTON !!! I think I'd vote for "BOZO THE CLOWN" before I'd vote for the flip flopping McSame. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you guys read about Obama's saying something about refineing his goals on bringing home the troops based on what was happening on the ground. For 3 days now the Main Stream Media MSM has had a feild day as has McSame trying to make something out of this statement that he's somehow changed his mind. They're trying hard to make out of him a flip flopper like McSame. How desparate can they get to cut him down??? This morning I read where Obama was "puzzled" at how they got this latest idea from what he said about refining his 16 month removal of troops from Iraq, He said refining doesn't change a thing, he's planning a 16 month removal, and didn't say one word about changing that plan. MSNBC made it a point to say that Obama "would not admit (that his statement was) a mistake" in an effort to show him a flipper, its the media that made the mistake. This desparation of McSames team, and the media if anything is working in Obama's favor. YOU GO OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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realifedad said OBAMA ALL THE WAY TO WASHINGTON !!! I think I'd vote for "BOZO THE CLOWN" before I'd vote for the flip flopping McSame. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you guys read about Obama's saying something about refineing his goals on bringing home the troops based on what was happening on the ground. For 3 days now the Main Stream Media MSM has had a feild day as has McSame trying to make something out of this statement that he's somehow changed his mind. They're trying hard to make out of him a flip flopper like McSame. How desparate can they get to cut him down??? This morning I read where Obama was "puzzled" at how they got this latest idea from what he said about refining his 16 month removal of troops from Iraq, He said refining doesn't change a thing, he's planning a 16 month removal, and didn't say one word about changing that plan. MSNBC made it a point to say that Obama "would not admit (that his statement was) a mistake" in an effort to show him a flipper, its the media that made the mistake. This desparation of McSames team, and the media if anything is working in Obama's favor. YOU GO OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Or, perhaps Obama, who has yet to go to Iraq since running for President, is just realizing the cold hard facts that pulling our troops out would be a disaster and that his 16 month plan not only isn't realistic, but simply is never going to fly. So Obama says he wants to end the war...Well, who the HELL doesn't? When and, more importantly, HOW we do that is what is important.

Voting this this time around is proving more difficult than I previously admited. I was going to vote for Hilary, despite her clear loss of the Democratic Nomination. Than thought about voting for McCain the scourge of my homestate to spite Obama, since there wasn't too much dividing the to once I've read the fine print. But than I concidered again the wider ramnifications of my choice and remembered that in voting for a Presidential Nominee I'm also voting for the party and group of people they rub shoulders with, and of course their friends and their circles of influence. So, with that fact in mind, I've settled on voting for Obama. And no, Hilary's inevitable backing him up after her loss was not a factor. Arizona's my homestate, so I'd rather see McCain sweeping floors than sending more people to die in a war he doesn't want to stop.

Well CuriousJock, i'm glad you brought this up !!! I just hope that when Obama does go to Iraq that its far more Sustantive than one of the latest McSame trips for his photo op, where when the facts came out about his visit there, he wasted nearly 100 marines and their equipment time so that while surrounded by guards he could say!!! "We're winning, I don't care what anybody says" that certainly was a worthwhile trip wasn't it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our getting out of Iraq won't be a disaster, it will be a very welcome end to an "OCCUPATION" by the Iraqies, and a welcome end to the reason behind why alquida in Iraq, and al sadres group are fighting, you know !!! they want us out of their homeland.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obama wants a legitimate end to occupation in 16 months, McSame says he doesn't care if we are there 100 years. Why do we need 50 or more bases in Iraq anyways?? Who set up the US as the god and guardian over other countries??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR SANITY IN OUR FOREIGN RELATIONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CuriousJockAZ saidHmmmm, and yet he won the Massachusetts primary. Guess the Republicans in your state don't happen to agree with you

Yes, all six of them.

LOL! Like Obama's trip won't be a photo-op?

The Iraqi people want us there. They trust the Americans more than they trust their own government.

McCain didn't say he didn't care if we were there for 100 years, he said we may be there that long...not in a war necessarily, just being there like we are and have been and will be in Korea...this is simply straight talk, not blowing smoke up the American public's ass.

Curious Jock !!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON MAN !!! Your defending the defenceless tired out propaganda!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU SAID--Like Obama's trip won't be a photo OP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'll bet you that he won't be saying something so stupid as "we are winning" while surrounded by guards because its so unsafe !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU SAID--"The Iraqi people want us there" What pole are you referring to here? My God !!! Checks/Polls on what the Iraqi's want have shown for nearly 5 years that 70 to 90% want us to go home. You must still be referring to old propaganda about Cheney or Rumsfeld saying that they would welcome us with open arms, my god that didn't last 6 months !!! You need to do some more reading my friend !!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You referred to McSame not saying he didn't care if we were there 100 years, and make the point that he didn't mean war for 100 years, but be there in a way similar to South Korea. I didn't say he wanted war for 100 years, I made the point that Obama wants us out in 16 months, and that we don't need to be there policing for 100 years, with around 50 bases. Purhaps you'll now admit that bush/McSame want us there for the sake of protecting our "OIL INTERESTS", that's why they may want us there for 100 years. Sounds like "COLONIALSISM" to me !!!!!!!!!! What's it sound like to you????????

Justin - Colorado - Obama

Jason, California, OBAMA

...But, I'd prefer to vote for myself. At least I wouldn't be idiotic enough to get serviced in the Oval Office by an intern - I'd be servicing our troops in the War Room!

looknrnd saidJason, California, OBAMA

...But, I'd prefer to vote for myself. At least I wouldn't be idiotic enough to get serviced in the Oval Office by an intern - I'd be servicing our troops in the War Room!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL !!!! GOOD ONE !!!! At least you have a good use in mind for the "WAR ROOM", Just so you don't start no "FLAME WARS" LOL !!!!!!!!!!!

realifedad said Curious Jock !!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON MAN !!! Your defending the defenceless tired out propaganda!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU SAID--Like Obama's trip won't be a photo OP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'll bet you that he won't be saying something so stupid as "we are winning" while surrounded by guards because its so unsafe !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU SAID--"The Iraqi people want us there" What pole are you referring to here? My God !!! Checks/Polls on what the Iraqi's want have shown for nearly 5 years that 70 to 90% want us to go home. You must still be referring to old propaganda about Cheney or Rumsfeld saying that they would welcome us with open arms, my god that didn't last 6 months !!! You need to do some more reading my friend !!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You referred to McSame not saying he didn't care if we were there 100 years, and make the point that he didn't mean war for 100 years, but be there in a way similar to South Korea. I didn't say he wanted war for 100 years, I made the point that Obama wants us out in 16 months, and that we don't need to be there policing for 100 years, with around 50 bases. Purhaps you'll now admit that bush/McSame want us there for the sake of protecting our "OIL INTERESTS", that's why they may want us there for 100 years. Sounds like "COLONIALSISM" to me !!!!!!!!!! What's it sound like to you????????

Well, thankfully, RealLifeDad, I don't happen to view the world through "conspiracy-theory" tinged glasses as you do. In your world, it's all one great big cluster-fuck by The Powers That Be. A great deal more positive stuff going on in Iraq than YOU, and many others, are either willing and/or able to admit. Fact is, we ARE winning over there. No one said it was going to be easy, or that it was going to be quick. Success is coming, albeit much slower than we had hoped, and certainly with far more blood and treasure than anyone had ever imagined, but we're getting there. The surge has proven successful pretty much by any measure, and I will gladly listen to what the generals and other experts are saying in the field over those who simply will not, or cannot, allow themselves to give a little credit where credit is due.

Wow, I always wondered what a discussion with RealLifeDad and CuriousJock would be like.....

Interesting....

To quote from Mr. Mccain's web site:

The family represents the foundation of Western Civilization and civil society and John McCain believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. It is only this definition that sufficiently recognizes the vital and unique role played by mothers and fathers in the raising of children, and the role of the family in shaping, stabilizing, and strengthening communities and our nation.

This under the heading Protecting Marriage

How any self respecting gay or bi man can support someone who takes this position is beyond me.

Steve; Colorado, Obama

CuriousJockAZ said, "The Iraqi people want us there. They trust the Americans more than they trust their own government." (JUL 6)

Well, just today (JUL 8th), Iraq's National Security Advisor just asked for a timetable. I think this will grow into a much larger demand from the Iraqis. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25585978/

coolarmydude saidWell, just today (JUL 8th), Iraq's National Security Advisor just asked for a timetable. I think this will grow into a much larger demand from the Iraqis. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25585978/

I saw this today also! See, no more excuses.

Oh, California, Barack Obama!

CuriousJockAZ said[quote][cite]realifedad said[/cite] Curious Jock !!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON MAN !!! Your defending the defenceless tired out propaganda!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU SAID--Like Obama's trip won't be a photo OP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'll bet you that he won't be saying something so stupid as "we are winning" while surrounded by guards because its so unsafe !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU SAID--"The Iraqi people want us there" What pole are you referring to here? My God !!! Checks/Polls on what the Iraqi's want have shown for nearly 5 years that 70 to 90% want us to go home. You must still be referring to old propaganda about Cheney or Rumsfeld saying that they would welcome us with open arms, my god that didn't last 6 months !!! You need to do some more reading my friend !!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You referred to McSame not saying he didn't care if we were there 100 years, and make the point that he didn't mean war for 100 years, but be there in a way similar to South Korea. I didn't say he wanted war for 100 years, I made the point that Obama wants us out in 16 months, and that we don't need to be there policing for 100 years, with around 50 bases. Purhaps you'll now admit that bush/McSame want us there for the sake of protecting our "OIL INTERESTS", that's why they may want us there for 100 years. Sounds like "COLONIALSISM" to me !!!!!!!!!! What's it sound like to you????????

Well, thankfully, RealLifeDad, I don't happen to view the world through "conspiracy-theory" tinged glasses as you do. In your world, it's all one great big cluster-fuck by The Powers That Be. A great deal more positive stuff going on in Iraq than YOU, and many others, are either willing and/or able to admit. Fact is, we ARE winning over there. No one said it was going to be easy, or that it was going to be quick. Success is coming, albeit much slower than we had hoped, and certainly with far more blood and treasure than anyone had ever imagined, but we're getting there. The surge has proven successful pretty much by any measure, and I will gladly listen to what the generals and other experts are saying in the field over those who simply will not, or cannot, allow themselves to give a little credit where credit is due.[/quote]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My belief that we are in Iraq for "our oil interests" is hardly a "conspiracy theory", haven't you read where some Generals have openly admitted we are there over oil? didn't you read over a year ago, where Bernanke's predecessor at the Federal Reserve Bank, said that our "oil interests" were a fairly freguent conversation in his presence and reference to removing Sadaam Hussein? Are you telling me too that you haven't read the goals of the "PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY" whichi included removing Hussein, and gaining control of the middle east oil for our interests? Have you not read in the last week about the no bid contracts for the big oil companies, that Hussein Kicked out back in the 70's? or about Hunt making a separate contract with the kurds in Northern Iraq, which was one of bush/cheney's donors and chrony? Do you not read anything? Are you telling me that none of this makes you realize that we are there for OIL concerns?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Please tell me what it is we are winning in IRAQ???? You never have answered that question to my memory !!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You said Iraqies what us there !!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then why (as some of the other posters here pointed out) are some of the heads of state along with Maliki saying that they will not agree to any long term arrangement with the USA without a definate date for our occupying troops to leave? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what is it again that we are winning?????? Now if Bush was really just wanting to spread democracy HE SHOULD BE BESIDE HIMSELF WITH PLEASURE OVER THE IRAQ PRESIDENT MALIKI WANTING US TO LEAVE BECAUSE HE FEELS THEY CAN HANDLE THEIR COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS ALONE NOW!!!! How about that????????IS BUSH HAPPY ABOUT THIS REQUEST FOR THE US TO LEAVE IRAQ??? NO HE ISN'T HAPPY ABOUT THIS AT ALL !!!! THIS RATHER FOILS HIS IMPERIALISTIC PLANS DOESN'T IT !!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM ANXIOUS FOR YOUR REPLY !!!!

brawnybiguy, I will vote for John McCain. I place the survival of the United States and western civilization ahead of gay rights. As long as the US and Western Civiliztion continue to exist, our equal rights will come one day. I don't think Barack Obama will be as competent in defending us as Senator McCain.

John43620 saidbrawnybiguy, I will vote for John McCain. I place the survival of the United States and western civilization ahead of gay rights. As long as the US and Western Civiliztion continue to exist, our equal rights will come one day. I don't think Barack Obama will be as competent in defending us as Senator McCain

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McSame keeps touting his ""military Experience" as qualifying him more that Obama, frankly I don't see how his flight experience or his capture and imprisonment in Vietnam, makes him any better at Foreign policy than Obama. McSame may have also served on some military committee, but this same type or better experience can be tapped as Obama's advisors. When it comes down to political savvy, and judgement having to do with foreign policy, I'd much rather have Obama out there speaking for us than clumbsy speaking McSame, who down that line is very similar to bush. McSame also didn't show very good judgement in patterning his policies after bush's when it was just a year ago that he was talking out of the other side of his mouthm and why in hell pattern your policies after those of bush when he has record low approval ratings because of his policies, sounds kinda dumb to me. NAAAA !!! Don't want no tired old man representing our AMERICA !!! We want to revive our standing in the worlds eyes, not take it back further than it is now after the bush fiasco !!!!

Oh is this ridiculous or what???


McKinney running for president as Green candidate

Story Highlights

Cynthia McKinney, ex-Georgia congresswoman, defeats three for nomination

Party spokesman: "Every vote that she gets helps the Green Party"

McKinney, a former Democrat, served six terms in Congress

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/12/mckinney.green.party/index.html

Tom - Georgia/New York - McCain

Tim, New York, it doesn't matter

Regarding Edwards:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sen_john_edwards_caught_with_mistress_and_love_child_in_la_hotel/celebrity/65193

Consider the source, of course, but my feeling is that it's true. If so, I feel bad for Elizabeth, still stuck with cancer back home.

True or not, will this ruin his chances for Veep?

realifedad said; "keeps touting his ""military Experience" as qualifying him more that Obama, frankly I don't see how his flight experience or his capture and imprisonment in Vietnam, makes him any better at Foreign policy than Obama. McSame may have also served on some military committee, but this same type or better experience can be tapped as Obama's advisors. When it comes down to political savvy, and judgement having to do with foreign policy, I'd much rather have Obama out there speaking for us than clumbsy speaking McSame, who down that line is very similar to bush. McSame also didn't show very good judgement in patterning his policies after bush's when it was just a year ago that he was talking out of the other side of his mouthm and why in hell pattern your policies after those of bush when he has record low approval ratings because of his policies, sounds kinda dumb to me. NAAAA !!! Don't want no tired old man representing our AMERICA !!! We want to revive our standing in the worlds eyes, not take it back further than it is now after the bush fiasco !!!!"

I was thinking more on the lines of his (Senator McCain's) 26 years in the Congress tempered by his military experience, and his experience on the Senate foreign relations committee. It was Senator McCain who called for the troop surge, in fact he questioned Rumsfeld on the troop strength in the initial invasion. Senator McCain was right all along. He knows what he's doing and we the American people need him right now. Senator Obama was opposed to the troop surge, he was wrong on this issue. Can we survive an Obama presidential internship?

Robert- New York- Obama

Yeah, lets vote based on what the market MIGHT do if Obama is elected. The only reason it would tank is because it would finally correct itself after those f'ing Republicans have been feeding the rich and starving the poor for the last 8 years. Smart (100% sarcastic)....and so Republican.

Michael: Mass./Obama

Illinois, McKinney (Green)

Both Obama and McCain are anti-gay

I've been really happy with how Obama's trip to the middle east and so on has gone this past week. His ideas of 16 month effort to bring home the combat troops from Iraq and put our attention on the Afghanistan/Packistan boarder has been widely accepted, and Iraq especially has been leaning toward forcing a timetable issue for removal of our "occupation" with bush. Oh it tickles me to death to foil bush/cheney neocon efforts to "USE" Iraq for around 50 bases, for a staging area to work toward more of their neocon goals. Its great to see the dialogue changing because of Obama !!!!!!!!!!! Another good reason to vote for OBAMA !!!!

We haven't seen the last of Hillary. Mark my words.

Stan: Texas, Obama

Ohio, Obama.

I like the idea of a time table to get out - not because it leads to victory - there is no victory to be had. Every achievement needs to be balanced against a cost. What we have paid in lives, international image and actual dollars has made it impossible to have 'victory'. At this point the only win is to cut losses and get out.

McCain ain't to good at the Economics. So he doesn't get that victory isn't just about achievement. It's about achievement at the right cost.

Obama, McCain, Jesus H Christ - none of them can make the Iraq war a Victory.

Every dollar being diverted to war spending on foreign soil needs to be brought home to be spent on creating jobs or refunded to tax payers to stimulate the economy and pay down debt. The sliding value of the dollar is far more threatening to US than invading forces or (que psycho music) terrorists. The USSR crumbled because of economics not because of invading forces. The US can go down too without one enemy soldier setting foot on our soil.

McCain has no clue what to do in the most threatening of arenas.

stonecoldfoxboy saidChad - Georgia - McCain

And you're still adorable.

Robby-Illinois-Obama