I don't find it funny at all, and I'm a bit disturbed that his audience is actually agreeing with him. What's up with GLBT? Is it gonna dissolve into mGeGLBT, Masculine Gays Effeminate Gays Lesbian Bisexual Transsexual anytime soon?
Seriously, it seems that as the 'masculine gay' stereotype is on the rise as the ideal homosexual among us younger generations, there seems to be growing homophobia too WITHIN the gay community.
Personally, I really am not effeminate. I don't have a lisp, no limp wrist, etc. but I'm sorta geeky so I'm not the epitome of masculinity either. But I DON'T revile effeminate gay men.
The Chris Crocker thread shows exactly how serious it is.
Do we really think that by being more masculine and trashing the queens we can somehow be more acceptable to the eyes of the straight world? To them, even if we play football and have the buffest body and the roughest attitude we're still HOMOS. How can we ask for acceptance when we can't even accept people of the same orientation?
comedy is always tiptoeing on that line of bad taste and stereotypes This definitely crosses that line It's very easy to depend on gay stereotypes to make speeches and harder to be smart about it This guy needs to think more
Quite interesting I would hardly classify him as a masculine guy. he may think he is but his mannerisms dictate otherwise.
You certainly wouldnt classify him as the slightest bit funny tho, the only line he has crossed is that of comedy there must have been free pot in the audience, mind you sounds like there are only about 10 there
It seems easier to whore oneself out to the alleged dynamic of straightdom that gay *men* should be "masculine" and align oneself with the apparent majority than to stand ground with the villified minority.
It is our burden to confront our media portrayals and prompt ones that deal with us as people. Signing onto the "popular kids'" commodification and objectification of us is betrayal, especially when it is done as part of personal self-aggrandizement.
You guys have to also understand what is considered masculine is as diverse as there are people. There is no one definition for masculinity. The concept of what is deemed masculine, varies according to race and culture in many circumstances.
cityguy39 saidYou guys have to also understand what is considered masculine is as diverse as there are people. There is no one definition for masculinity. The concept of what is deemed masculine, varies according to race and culture in many circumstances.
Doug
Very true Doug, and in North America what is considered masculine behaviour is pretty narrow and rigid. Don't like football in the US or hockey in Canada? Somehow you are not really masculine and "suspect". Don't support increasing defence spending? Again your masculinity might be suspect.
I personally got tired years ago of people judging my masculinity. Like all males I have "masculine" traits (both physical and personality) and "feminine" traits. I just go about being myself and minding my own business. If people don't like it then f**k 'em I have got more important things to think about.
Wow I couldn't even finish watching this clip it was so not funny. I just think it's sad for this dude to go after the effeminate gays seeing as he's fucking gay himself. Live and let live dammit.
I'm sorry, but I don't see a dislike of overly effeminate guys as being homophobic. Saying it is means that gay men are by nature effeminate.
I think a lot of men do put on an effeminate act as a defense. They feel different as say 'f*ck it, if they are going to tease me then I'm going for it.'
WOW he was just terrible. He needs to learn how to get a laugh.
Ya know, I see this whole masculinity/femininity thing as rebelling against a stereotype that has finally caught up with us and many are tired of.
Yes there are very effeminate homosexual males as there are very masculine lesbians, but, its tiring when I'm expected to behave effeminately and my sexuality is called into question because I do not fit that stereo type of what "gay" is.
But, at the end of the day, life goes on, some knobs get screwed others do the screwing
Sick!!!! It's like the gay community is all sinking under water and he rescues himself by climbig on their backs !!
These sick people think that they'll gain the respect of the straight community by acting like them and adoupting the same attitude against the gay community.. I mean what THE !???
I actually agree with nearly everything that guy said minus his comment at the end on gay marriage.
Yes I'm a Republican, yes I'm for defense spending (hence why I'm in the military), and the man I'm married to is a Democrat and also happens to have the same opinions regarding this guy's comedy skit.
I found this video to be very disturbing on so many levels not the least of which another attempt to tear people apart versus the opposite.
I suppose there are people in every "so called group" that hates a sector of its own and will do what is necessary to exploit it in support of others they believe feel the same. (I tend to agree w/ the person who said he was performing in a straight club.)
I'm with Arvis. I didn't think he was all that funny but he certainly didn't offend me. The only part that came close was about domestic abuse. I'm sorry but I don't like the term "gay community". We are as diverse as the "straight community". The only thing we have in common is that we like to suck c**k. I can in no way relate to the effeminate guys at bars who tweeze their eyebrows and walk around with a swish. I relate much better to the straight guys I work with than a lot of gay men.
Hmm, yes Margaret and Billy and Steve...there are all types of gay people. Tall and short, thin and fat, tried to hard and doesn't care, etc etc. A thin straight person dismissing fat people is exercising a prejudice/bias. A gay person dismissing another gay person on a basis judgment in regards to masculine/feminine characteristics is also exercising a prejudice/bias.
And what do we call bias against LGBT people? That's right. Homophobia.
I disagree. I think thinner people making fun of fat people is different that straight people making fun of gay people. 90% of fat people are fat because of the choices they made themselves, overeating and not exercising. Making fun of gay people is different because it is not a choice. With regard to dismissing effeminate people, am I homophobic because I am not attracted to them and I can't relate to them? Am I racist because I am not attracted to certain races? Absolutely I think you need to value people for who they are and see the good inside them, if they have any. But I also say there is a way to be funny without being overly offensive. Look at Family Guy, they offend everyone equally!! They have some of the funniest gay jokes on TV. Am I offended? No, I don't take myself that seriously. We all have to laugh at ourselves from time to time.
Rhodielifter saidI disagree. I think thinner people making fun of fat people is different that straight people making fun of gay people. 90% of fat people are fat because of the choices they made themselves, overeating and not exercising. Making fun of gay people is different because it is not a choice. With regard to dismissing effeminate people, am I homophobic because I am not attracted to them and I can't relate to them? Am I racist because I am not attracted to certain races?
I didn't say straight people making fun of gay people. I said gay people demonstrating bias (as a negative action, i.e. prejudice) toward other gay people. That is internal homophobia. A straight person showing the same is plain old homophobia. I'm not talking about making fun. I'm talking about showing negative prejudice. I'm not talking about attraction. I'm talking about negative energy, words, thoughts, expressions and dismissals of one gay person who self-perceives as masculine against another gay person they perceive as effeminate. That is internalized homophobia any way you spin it.
Arvis1804 saidI actually agree with nearly everything that guy said minus his comment at the end on gay marriage.
Yes I'm a Republican, yes I'm for defense spending (hence why I'm in the military), and the man I'm married to is a Democrat and also happens to have the same opinions regarding this guy's comedy skit.
Good to see someone else who thinks like we do.
I joined for pride of country and a desire to serve and to defend the Constitution against all enemies.... I suggest you watch A Few Good Men and pay attention to the line near the end of the movie in which the newly convicted Marine realized that he was wrong for not standing up for the weak guy. The point is, there's never any humor in belittling others. It's not about sensitivity either. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution and indifference defaults to the side of the problem.
Rhodielifter saidI disagree. I think thinner people making fun of fat people is different that straight people making fun of gay people. 90% of fat people are fat because of the choices they made themselves, overeating and not exercising. Making fun of gay people is different because it is not a choice. With regard to dismissing effeminate people, am I homophobic because I am not attracted to them and I can't relate to them? Am I racist because I am not attracted to certain races? Absolutely I think you need to value people for who they are and see the good inside them, if they have any. But I also say there is a way to be funny without being overly offensive. Look at Family Guy, they offend everyone equally!! They have some of the funniest gay jokes on TV. Am I offended? No, I don't take myself that seriously. We all have to laugh at ourselves from time to time.
Most of the people responding to the video perceive the clip as a tirade and rant against effiminate gay men as opposed to comedy. The art of comedy pokes fun at the quirks of reality, but the guy fails at this art because he goes on to suggest how gay men should fit a mold as he sees it. Since when is he the authority on gay demeanor?
This guy seems under the sad, stupid delusion that if the gay-hating crazies ever get their way and start rounding us up and exterminating us, he'll get off any easier for collaborating with thir narrow-minded bullshit. He must think that kicking 'sissies' earns some hetero-friendly cred that would spare him a bullet.
It's almost... just *almost* enough to make me wish for such a revolting gay 'holocaust,' just to see the look on his face when they line him up against the wall in front of the firing squad side-by-side with all those 'other' queers that he derides. Perhaps some V-for-Vendetta-esque kidnap and simulation where we could pump him full of psychotropics to make him believe everything going on was real, and then we all act like it was happening, hold his mock arrest and execution, then send him scurrying for some PSTD support group to re-think his ways. It would be against at least one UN convention that I can think of, but ask me how torn up over it I'd be.
He's like gay version of the same type that-- among blacks on the cotton plantations in the slavery days-- would have been called a 'house-nigger' by those breaking their backs in the fields.
I posted a comment to the guy on the video's YouTube page, and maybe I struck a nerve. Because, after several months worth of comments, both negative and positive, with no response from him, the guy responded to my comment within a couple hours of it being posted.
Rhodielifter saidI'm sorry but I don't like the term "gay community". We are as diverse as the "straight community...The only thing we have in common is that we like to suck c**k."
Um, what are you doing here, then? Perhaps you haven't read the description on the Real Jock logotype: "Gay Fitness Community."
If there aren't differences beyond purely sexual behavior -- such as many issues discussed in these forums -- why are you hanging out here instead of on a site that doesn't designate itself as "gay"?
obscenewish said[quote][cite]Rhodielifter said[/cite]I'm sorry but I don't like the term "gay community". We are as diverse as the "straight community...The only thing we have in common is that we like to suck c**k."
Um, what are you doing here, then? Perhaps you haven't read the description on the Real Jock logotype: "Gay Fitness Community."
If there aren't differences beyond purely sexual behavior -- such as many issues discussed in these forums -- why are you hanging out here instead of on a site that doesn't designate itself as "gay"?[/quote]
Well actually there is a difference than sexual behavior on here, the fitness aspect. I am not going to get on a gay knitting website or something like that. As a matter of fact I am a member of non-sexually oriented websites about fitness as well.
"Well actually there is a difference than sexual behavior on here, the fitness aspect. I am not going to get on a gay knitting website or something like that. As a matter of fact I am a member of non-sexually oriented websites about fitness as well."
HUH? It's still a GAY COMMUNITY. You said you found the term distasteful and that the only thing that gay people have in common with you is the desire to suck cock.
Your presence here and your particpation in this particular thread, which has nothing to do with fitness, demonstrates that you do in fact have something in common with other gay men besides your appetite for fellating gay men.
What you really mean is that you don't like to be included in a community if an aspect of it you don't personally approve of is being focused upon. I believe this is called intolerance.
I am a stand-up comic who has played to gay audiences and straight audiences, and what I have found is that as comics, you need to make a choice as to how much you want to ailenate your audience. I have encountered many gay comics who think that "shocking" your audience is how to be cutting edge, and thus funny. Most of the time I have not seen this approach work (until you reach the Margret Cho / Kathy Griffin level). My approach (thanks for asking) was to make fun of myself before I made fun of other people. When someone turns the attention or humor towards themselves, I think they are more fun to be around vs. someone who attacks others with humor. Also, just to shed a little insight into the mind of most comics...we tend to take the parts of ourselves that we are the most uncomfortable with and make fun of that...before someone else does. So me thinks the lady doth protest too much... probably has some masculinity/femminity issues inside himself
I don't think orientation has anything to do with why 'straight' people don't like 'homos'. The only problem they have with same gender attracted people is the behavior they believe happens behind closed doors.
First off, the guy's not funny at all. I mean, the topic could be different and he still wouldn't be funny. It's all in the delivery.
Me personally?, I wasn't offended by what he said. If I got offended by every little comment made by someone who has absolutely ZERO impact on my life, I would never leave my house, answer my phone, or have any relationships of any kind. He kept using the word "fag", which made him sound stupid because he was just blatantly pandering to the audience. Hey, I can poke fun at myself, but I'm sure as hell not going to demean myself OR my culture to get strangers to like me. One thing I will agree with him on, is that gay guys ARE too sensitive. We internalize way too much and seem to make everything about us. "Drama Queen" comes to mind )
Personally, I'm not sexually attracted to femmy guys, but i have a couple friends I consider feminine. Everyone's different, gay or straight. I have a buddy that flirts with me, smacks my ass, and tells me he loves me but is 100% straight. He's just comfortable with his own sexuality and doesn't feel the need to constantly prove to others who he is.
Whether you're over-the-top butch, an outrageously flamboyant fem, or somewhere in between, don't be hating on each other; There are enough haters OUTSIDE the gay community.
If this guy didn't call himself fag and homo, and talk about being in bed with another guy, I'd swear he was straight and homophobic. Instead, he's gay and self-hating.
Yes, being gay isn't a choice. Yes, having exaggerated feminine manners is a choice. So what? Let the guys who feel more comfortable acting like that be who they are. It's not hurting anyone.
All gay guys should act the same, and in this guys opinion, masculine!?!?
Not only is that an unrealistic 'ideal', it's pathetic.
What I found most offensive were his comments about domestic abuse. He treats it like it's a purely physical matter, that it's based on one person being bigger than the other. It's an unintelligent person that disreagards the psychological aspects of domestic abuse. In a roundabout way, his comments were also demeaning to women. They're weaker than men, therefore subject to physical abuse.
GHoSTa said:
Sick!!!! It's like the gay community is all sinking under water and he rescues himself by climbig on their backs !!
These sick people think that they'll gain the respect of the straight community by acting like them and adoupting the same attitude against the gay community.. I mean what THE !???
and it's not just one unfortunately.....
imperator said:
This guy seems under the sad, stupid delusion that if the gay-hating crazies ever get their way and start rounding us up and exterminating us, he'll get off any easier for collaborating with thir narrow-minded bullshit. He must think that kicking 'sissies' earns some hetero-friendly cred that would spare him a bullet.
IMO, you two hit the nail on the head with your comments.
Rhodielifter said:
I'm sorry but I don't like the term "gay community". We are as diverse as the "straight community". The only thing we have in common is that we like to suck c**k. I can in no way relate to the effeminate guys at bars who tweeze their eyebrows and walk around with a swish. I relate much better to the straight guys I work with than a lot of gay men.
You're right, the gay community is as diverse as the straight community. Those effeminate guys are a part of that diversity. Just because you can't relate to them doesn't mean they should stop being who they are and fit themselves into a mold you approve of.
As much as this guy, and others who think like him disgust me, I actually feel sorry for him and them. I would hate to be so self-loathing that I would feel the need to attack in others what I don't like about myself, just to make myself feel better.
Edited because I forogt to add:
For him to imply that gays who get bashed deserve it because of how they dress...do I actually need to comment on this??? Sounds a lot like 'she deserved to get raped, she was asking for it, because she was wearing a skirt'.
For a gay man to say that, in seriousness or in jest, deserves a bit of a beat down himself...with pink sparkely stilettos as the weapon of choice!!!
What I found most offensive were his comments about domestic abuse. He treats it like it's a purely physical matter, that it's based on one person being bigger than the other. It's an unintelligent person that disreagards the psychological aspects of domestic abuse. In a roundabout way, his comments were also demeaning to women. They're weaker than men, therefore subject to physical abuse.
He makes the mistake that a lot of people make, that men are always the abusers, and it is always physical. Actually about 10% of domestic abuse is by women on men, and it takes the form of verbal abuse, although it can also be physical.
jbedwards saidHe makes the mistake that a lot of people make, that men are always the abusers, and it is always physical. Actually about 10% of domestic abuse is by women on men, and it takes the form of verbal abuse, although it can also be physical.
Apparently he doesn't know that Liza Minelli is a husband beater.
i couldn't even watch the entire video... i stopped it after the "hands like softball mits" comment...
when i was dancing at swinging richards in atlanta, ga it was very frustrating because of the 60 dancers on staff, only 5 were gay. and even though we were just as attractive and just as nice (and in 2 or 3 instances just as "masculine") we'd make only a fraction what the straight dancers made. i don't understand the investment in trying so hard to connect to a group of people who are so completely antithetical to everything most lgbt people like. it's really annoying.
one guy in atlanta was in "love" with one of the straight dancers. he adamantly refused to tip or talk to the gay dancers. i called him out on it, and his response was, "i like only straight men." well, i felt no remaining compassion for his heartbreak and simply said, "well, you deserve the heartbreak you've paid for."
i like gay men who are who they are without being apologetic. if you're a limp wristed screaming queen, then more power to you, because it takes WAY bigger balls to be chris crocker than it takes to be a "butch" asshole "comdian."
It's homophobic because they basically hate gay people for the same reasons straight people have.
It's homophobic because it's hating gay people. Period. If it were drag queens making fun of masculine gay dudes, I'd still call it homophobic.
Sure, I too wish straight folks wouldn't stereotype us as queens, but hey, I wouldn't trample the queens just to prove how different we are. That's basically running to the other side of the camp for sympathy.
"Oh hey look! I'm just like you! I still suck cock and fuck/get fucked in the ass though."
Can I say yellow bellied traitor?
Do you wonder why straight people who are comfortable with their sexuality aren't bothered by the most effeminate gay man hitting on them? Because they know what they are. If you are insulted by drag queens, methinks you have some vestiges of the straight homophobic mindset in you - Hate what is different.
(P.S. I am reminded of the g0y movement, and the way they slander gays who do anal sex just so they'd be Biblically correct. I have nothing against people who don't like anal sex, but again, making the point at the expense of others is pure cowardice)
I am not really offended about what he said at all. My only disagreement was the marriage part of his act. No! I am not a Republican. I am a Democrat. Ex military and I do consider myself more masculine than others. I personally do not like Gay Pride Parades because it doesnt represent me. I am tried of explaining to my straight friends and co workers why many of us act and dress the way that we do. I personally do not like feminine men. We do not have anything in common with each other. I like to play sports, but it is hard to find gay men who like to play contact football or even soccer in my area or anywhere else. They are all too business in the shopping malls or in seedy bath houses. I kinda hate going to the beach too. I am sick of seeing how the straight guys are more active out in the sand and water while we are to busy worrying about trying not to get too sandy and checking each other out looking for a hookup. But getting back on feminine men. If I want to be with a woman I will be with a woman. I actually love that slogan. I carry myself well. I am attracted to only masculine guys. I hate it when fem men brush up on me on purpose to get my attraction. Also hate when fems cant catch a clue when someone isnt interested in them. I dont like being called girl or sister by fem men. I never had the desire to dress in drag. I never seen Mommy Dearest, not into the Golden Girls, dont like Cher and Liza lady, and I am tried of fem men dissing me because I dont know "how to be gay." I thought being gay was when you only have a desire to be with someone of the same sex as you are. Yes, I go to gay bars with friends but normally my night will end in a straight one. I like straight bars because I need that female interation too. No, I am not bi. I also agree with this comedian that many of us are to sensitive. Suck it up! And if you cant do anything about it then move on. Also, how the hell you are going to let another gay male hit you or verbally assualt you enough to make you cry? I got in trouble once because I roughed up a gay guy in a bar because he threw ice at me for no reason at all. I didnt even know this guy. But noooo I became the bad guy because I should not have gone what I have done. Did I supposed to stand there and take ice hitting me in the face? Would you? I am not hating on our community but we do take things a little too far. I have been to gay Disney, Muscle Beach Party and a few other events. But I attended those things as me. A man. So no...I am not a fan of feminine men even though I believe that you are who you are and in freedom of expression. My answer is yes. I agree with this comedian.
Wonderland, I can understand your frustration with some effeminate gay men. There are some that can be dismissive of masculine guys because they are "not gay enough". Those guys it is best to tolerate. But there are a lot of effeminate gay guys that are worth knowing, kind hearted, intelligent and successful, so don't dismiss them based on first impressions. They could end up being valuable friends, or even a potential boyfriend
BTW Gay Pride Day is about a celebration of GLBT people of all shapes, sizes and behaviours, that is one reason I like it. Unlike much of straight society in which the range of behaviours that are acceptable are so narrow and rigid.
It looks to me like we have an Identity problem here. Personally I don't have a problem with all the different facets of gay men. We are what we are. Being civilized humans we do have a need for definition and we're so hard to pin down. Being Democrats, most of you are natural born control freaks and want things lock step to one standard and demand conformity, to all our different standards. I accept that facet too. There ought to be a Gay sit-com, we're hilarious.
ActiveAndFit saidHe is cute, but not that funny. I am not offended by his stuff, but he needs to have some career options.
I second that! SO not funny! The material could have been delivered better and more hilarious by a better comedian. I was not offended by his skit and to reiterate a few comments, comedians always borderline on being offensive to someone/some group and yet there's always truth within the topic. Not everyone is gonna like it, not everyone is gonna care for it, hell not everyone like Mint Chocolate Chip ice cream like I do, it's just the way it is. Now if he were Gay Bashing, that would be different, however he's not. He's simply pointing out one particular genre within out community and you KNOW at one point or another we've all made fun of a different genre within our own community. I'm of Mexican descent and I laugh out loud til this day when I hear fellow Mexicans, especially comedians like George Lopez, make jokes about our community. I grew up with my Step-father who is Black and same thing with Black comedians in regards to that community, they're stereotypes with truth to them and they can be funny. This guys just was NOT funny!
Honestly, I wasn't completely offended by his shock comedy; though I could see it working for a straight audience ignorant of gay issues. I don't recommend hanging off of every word he says. Sometimes comedians will take a stance for something on stage that they would otherwise never say, or ever believe in.
I really don't agree with much of what this guys says, but there is a sign of progress when someone feels they have the liberty to say that they don't want to associated with the gay agenda. It shows that we've gotten far enough along that some issues are really that important anymore. Not that aren't still, if not more important, in other parts of the country/world, but maybe the issues have grown old after gays have been accepted in certain parts of the world. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I don't see this guys bad comedy as a bad sign. Just a sign that maybe being gay is okay, no matter how butch, nuetral or fem you are.
Wonderland: “I personally do not like Gay Pride Parades . . . I personally do not like feminine men . . . I kinda hate going to the beach too . . . I hate it when fem men brush up on me on purpose to get my attraction. Also hate when fems cant catch a clue when someone isnt interested in them. I dont like being called girl or sister by fem men . . . I also agree with this comedian that many of us are to sensitive. Suck it up! And if you cant do anything about it then move on.”
I found that video quite repulsive. This whole "sex is the only difference between us" line is so damned stale, and even then it's flawed: gay sex is enough ot demonize, regardless of how "normal" you may appear otherwise. Simply put, you may look "straight," enjoy "straight-acting" shit, but so long as you like to suck and fuck the same gender, you will be demonized.
My summary of his arguments: women are weak (and the deserving victims of violence), pride parades are passe because there is no gay bashing (nor gay history...quite offensive to the memory of Silvia Rivera, Harvey Milk, and others actually), gay men whose gender performance deviates from the norm want to be women (who are easy to shag), and on and on. Ugh.
Of course, if the amateur were really trying to be the "normal" representative of "real" gay men, he may want to work on those flailing hand/arm movements and get some looser clothes.
A bunch of useless blathering on designed to feed the audience generic punch lines to avoid being called out as the only real joke in the room. It's just a bunch of recycled hate speech and republican anthems redecorated to sound like comedy. I hate comedy that doesn't make you do ANY thinking. The same people who complain about the representations of gays as cliched jokes, are the ones who find this sort of shit funny. This doesn't speak to me or my experiences AT ALL.
(please be warned of my sarcasm in the following paragraph) I love the domestic abuse comments and his statements about hate crimes ,I mean, hilarious and SO insightful. And the fanny pack meaning you are gay or retarded.... I almost fell out of my office chair. I mean, I am in tears here .. Where does he come up with such original material.? And most gays wanting to be women or act like girls..... WOW, I mean.... so thoughtful and spot on. And when he says "If I wanted to be with a woman, I would be with a real one!" I was like, my God. I have never heard something put like that before.. again, what an original we have here. Then clogs, capris, crystal meth and gay pride parades being about sex. etc , etc. He really isn't afraid to go there and take the audience on a journey.
This guy is clearly an idiot. Not because what he says is offensive but because it just wreaks of some desperate attempt to belittle people like himself to belong. You can almost imagine his self loathing childhood. He really is just making fun of himself but thinks he is distancing himself by claiming he "doesn't get it". Perhaps he should leave the stage for someone who does actually get it enough to actually offer up some funny insight instead of trying to make us ignore the elephant in the room, or in this case, on the stage.
Everything always gets back to the girly fag vs. the manly fag issue. What-the-frick-ever. People need to take up chess or something. This is an old, tired subject. It's possible to like Cher and like sports too. Attack of the Feather Boa will be a new horror movie coming out next fall. Jesus people...just live your life with however you are comfortable with and quit worrying about whether the dude next to you is in nikes or pumps.
So to clarify what BS I don't agree with him on, that would include his stance on gay marriage and domestic abuse. But He does make some good points. Not every gay guy acts fem, is weak, and from my point of view I'll add that not every one of us is against Christianity or religion either. The more we can show people, particularly in the American south and midwest, that the gay community is broader than what is presented in the media, the news, and pride parades, the more accepting society is likely to become. There are gays that accept themselves but other than being openly gay and fine with it, really want the same things that most people do, and that's what we should be showing. The fringes are there and free in this country to do what they wish, but in order to get more political support and acceptance we have to not just show the fringes of gay society, we have to show all of it. The idea that we only have to work in one party and abandon talking to any of the churches in this country and expect to gain our liberties we deserve in a timely manner is insane. More work has to be done in areas we have traditionally not worked in, like the south, the midwest, churches, the Republican party, and other places... that's my view anyways.
I hear a lot of defensiveness and anger within the responses. I would guess that the more effeminate you are the more offense you take to this kind of talk. Taking offense is a choice. We need to lighten up. Does every gay guy have to be a PC carbon copy - lest he's branded a self-loathing republican? That kind of reaction says more about you than it does about the "comic". Can't we tolerate off-color/edgy humor - even when it's at our expense? Not everything was a knee-slapper, but I guess he's trying to develop a niche for himself. Nevertheless, I think we need to laugh at ourselves sometimes and not take ourselves too too seriously?
I know he's hitting on some sensitive subjects that are painful to some people - but don't get angry as usual and give it power. Instead formulate another reaction like apathy and defuse it. The shrink in me tells me that's the healthier way to handle it...IMHO
crispro said I hear a lot of defensiveness and anger within the responses. I would guess that the more effeminate you are the more offense you take to this kind of talk. Taking offense is a choice. We need to lighten up. Does every gay guy have to be a PC carbon copy - lest he's branded a self-loathing republican? That kind of reaction says more about you than it does about the "comic". Can we tolerate off-color/edgy humor? Some stuff was funny. Some stuff fell flat. I think we need to laugh at ourselves sometimes and not take ourselves too too seriously?
Being outraged at this atrocity has nothing to do with being less masculine or not a good sport. It has more to do with knowing when you are being insulted and stabbed in the back.
crispro saidI hear a lot of defensiveness and anger within the responses. I would guess that the more effeminate you are the more offense you take to this kind of talk. Taking offense is a choice. We need to lighten up. Does every gay guy have to be a PC carbon copy - lest he's branded a self-loathing republican? That kind of reaction says more about you than it does about the "comic". Can't we tolerate off-color/edgy humor - even when it's at our expense? Not everything was a knee-slapper, but I guess he's trying to develop a niche for himself. Nevertheless, I think we need to laugh at ourselves sometimes and not take ourselves too too seriously?
I know he's hitting on some sensitive subjects that are painful to some people - but don't get angry as usual and give it power. Instead formulate another reaction like apathy and defuse it. The shrink in me tells me that's the healthier way to handle it...IMHO
Och really? So you mean, those who get mad are faggy and hypersensitive and we should laugh about it like a man?
I wonder what would happen if that was the way black Americans dealt with racism in the early days...
I laugh at gay jokes my straight friends online make, and they know I'm gay. It's friendly banter.
This man is declaring how much he hates effeminates while disguising it as a joke. Not funny.
cityguy39 saidYou guys have to also understand what is considered masculine is as diverse as there are people. There is no one definition for masculinity. The concept of what is deemed masculine, varies according to race and culture in many circumstances.
Doug
Most of my straight male friends wouldn't live up to the ideal "straight acting" that many gay men seek or say they are.
I must admit I did giggle a bit at first, but then he seemed like a total nut-job! That must have been seriously offensive to you guys... it's not like all gays are effeminate... he was quite the shitbag!
And I'm damned by the audience laughing their guts out like that... I bet one of them was high or something!
Maybe someone should start up a stand-up comedy about overly-masculine straights !
I didn't think he was particularly hilarious, but he got a few chuckles out of me because some of what he said was actually right on target. Loved the "Capri & Clogs" crack. I hate gay pride parades too. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know "celebrate our diversity"...accept every time you watch one covered on the news they zero in on some gay that isn't exactly one I am particulary "proud" of, relate to, or have anything even remotely in common with. I think this guy was humorous to some degree if for no other reason than he was poking fun at how SOME gays just take themselves WAY too seriously.
Well, such is the fodder of the Z-list traveling stand-up comic. This is a common trope among crappy stand-ups, most likely because they think it'll work in dumpy clubs in the middle of nowhere-flyover. (Trust me, I've played these clubs. The audience wants to hear dick jokes, weed jokes, and jingoistic glop.)
The fact that he's gay is just what makes it that much more disappointing. It's basically a Jim Crow dance updated for gender rather than race in the hopes that his hostile comedy club audience will think of him as "one of the good ones."
To an extent, I can agree with his precept that as a gay man I'm attracted to masculinity, but who are any of us to tell anyone else how to live? And there are obviously guys out there who like femme guys, so good on 'em.
It's also a pity because the stand up is kind of cute. But seeing him bomb with such lowest-common-denominator material is such a boner-wilting turn-off I'd prefer he just turn straight. That or learn how to write actually funny material. (Or do what Carlos Mencia does and just steal it from other comics.)
As far as I'm concerned (not that anyone asked) I think we should feel free to be you & me:
This dude seems perilously close to being found on a bathroom floor after slitting his own wrists. The poor bastard must be the loneliest guy on earth. He doesn't even have himself.
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